Mcdonald's university- I'm hatin' it! - Page 3

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That's why, if someone wants to lie - he needs to practice a long time so it will sound real. A couple go to a green card interview and after the interview the officer decide that it's might be a marriage fraud. If he believes that it's a fraud, he tell them to go home and they call they for a fraud interview. In the fraud interview, the officer asks the husband "So, your wife, the US citizen, in which side of the bed she sleeps?", they ask her the same question in the other room. If the answer doesn't match - they don't live together. As simple as that. Usually there's not a fraud interview, it's a few minutes green card interview and "Welcome to America".

They don't build a case or anything. If they think you're lying, they separate you and question you are your wife separately and if you both tells a different story, you will fail.

You can always appeal. I know people who married for money and NO ONE got caught. Some had a fraud interview but they did their homework and the officer just apologized for the inconvenience.

You also need a photos of your wedding, but it's easy. And you need to show a matching key for your house. The officer will say "Both of you, show me your keys." And if there are not matching keys - he'll understand that you are not living together.

There's a website with tips and with a list of 100 questions that they can ask (they usually don't ask that much) and also questions that they ask every couple (not only in a fraud interview, that most of the chances that you will not have).

For a real Green Card marriage you should also come prepared. You don't want them to suspect that it's a fraud and make things harder for you.


Anyway, after 2 years from getting your conditional green card, you will have to mail them the evidences that you are still living together with your and get your permanent green card instead of the conditional one. So it's the best to keep all the proves.


I'm pretty sure that if your friend will get married to someone else, he won't be deported. Even if his first marriage wasn't real. The most that can happen to him is be deported, but his wife could get up to 5 years in prison and a $250,000 fine - so it's hard to believe that she turned herself in.. She must be really stupid.

ehh... they were two separate cases. The other one was that the person agreed to an offer placed by the interviewer that if she agreed it was a sham marriage nothing will happen to her, at least that is how I heard it, have not asked the guy directly though.

That's why its the best to get married for real, if things don't work out between you two, you can divorce 3 years later and keep your green card.

Some immigrants that pay a US citizen, they are sometimes doing it through a person that makes sure that both sides will respect their side of the deal and then you have nothing to worry about.

I'm 16 years old and I've never heard more lack of morality and shame, not even in my teenage fool filled high school.

I can't possibly ponder at the thought of marrying someone to achieve the American dream. The responses that I've received here have made me astonished at the lengths that we immigrants have to go in order to complete our goals. All to end up living in a mediocre middle class corporate fed community which is sadly, yet truly, thousands of times better than the lives our ancestors had to endure in our own countries.

Sure we have it hard, and it only gets harder but no one said that it was gonna be easy; the fact that we are already breaking the law by the simple fact of us staying in this country is more than enough to cause disgust in myself so as not to add more to the pile of immorality and law breaking by getting married to a person, not because of love but for the sole purpose of obtaining legal residency in a country which despises my kind.

Why should I stain the name of a matrimony for simple human greed? Don't get me wrong, I understand that the majority of us are here in this country for the better job opportunities aka, the money; Marriage is something that should be sacred, we should not stain this union when there are millions of homosexual couples who are fighting daily for a union between them to be allowed.

After much thought, I've decided that me leaving this country would benefit me for the best. Though my lack of perfect Spanish causes an obstacle in the road to leave Poverty, I can make up for it in many other ways.

Immigrants are known for their hard work and "cojones". If we managed to stay in this country for this long, if we managed to stay at the top of our classes when we weren't even born here, then I'll be damned if I don't think that I can make it in my country of origin.

I will work just as hard as I would in this country, even harder. Just to prove to the world that it's not the country that makes the people, but the people that make the country.

We are immigrants, we are fighters.

You are an idiot. Read the forum rules and stop promoting illegal behavior.

You are the idiot here. No DREAM Act is going to pass, they only talk and talk about it and nothing happens. Meantime you get older, you friends finish Harvard and you still working in smelly jobs for $8 an hour with you degree and you decline $80,000 per year jobs because you don't have a SSN although you lived your entire life in the US and you don't even know your native language.

You want to be illegal for the rest of your life and work in McDonald's with a degree from a prestigious college? Go head and do it. Smart people here have three options: Become legals, stay illegals or go to their poor home countries. There are two ways to get legal: Get married (if you were lucky enough to enter legally) or wait for a man in the congress that doesn't even care about you will pass some amnesty law and give you a PARDON.

Getting married is not illegal, it's completely legal and you get a green card if you don't have one already. Marriage out of convenience is only illegal if it's done for money. You'll be surprised to know that many illegals marry their friend and get a green card without paying her and it's totally legal. Marriage out of convenience is very popular since forever.

I never told anyone to find a person that will make sure that both sides respect the agreement. I just said that it's the right thing to do IF someone want to marry someone he doesn't know for a green card, and it's a great advice. This guy's buddy, if he did it - he'd still be in the US and still have his business. Why would anyone marry a stranger that could ruin is life my speaking with an immigration officer?

I told people NOT to get married if it's not real because it can fail really bad if you don't know how to do it (and most people don't know how to do it). And I recommended to get married for real in a real ceremony (legal) and after 3 years go to Hawaii for a week vacation and THINK if you want to stay with your American wife/husband or you'd like to divorce. Divorce is legal although many religious Christians look at it as a sin that is even worse than murder. Hopefully you are not one of those lunatics. Most people divorce after 2-3 years, so it's normal to get married and think for a few years if it's really what you want in life.


By the way, I'll be getting my green card very soon, legally, and not through a fake marriage.

Maybe you should return to China or North Korea where it's illegal for someone to speak his mind and they shoot his head off if he does. It's a discussion group and I'm entitle to say my opinion as long as I don't promote illegal activity. Promoting illegal activity would be writing "I know a guy that could hook you up, PM me". If I did this, I'd get 100 messages from people in this site. But although I know two people that fix marriages and there were NEVER any problems with the US Citizens they fix, I wouldn't recommend anyone of them to illegal immigrants, since it would be promoting illegal activity and I'm generally against fake marriage, although I'll understand people who do it.


Someone has the full right to look for a wife only because he wants a green card, it's the same as if an American would look for an American wife only so he'd get her great medical insurance. Is it honest? Of course not! Probably also unethical! But it's not illegal by law to marry for someone only because this someone has something that you'd like. If I marry Angelina Julie (and the marriage is authentic) because she's hot - I'm marrying her because she's hot and it's as legal as if I got married to her because she has a green card.

Also talking is legal, at least in the US.

Lulz.
The rules say not to promote illegal behavior? Then wouldn't that mean that... there'd be no posts... like at all?

Sir, are you ok? Because you speak nonsense.

If you have a Harvard degree as your example suggests, you won't have to decline a job. Your degree would be so prestigious that you'd have companies lining up to give you work visas. And even if you did go back to your "poor" home country you wouldn't even need to speak the language as you would immediately get a high paying job with US and foreign relations.

The "right"? Sure you have the right to look for a wife. As much as I have the right to find me a good drug dealer, if I buy from him then that's when I commit the crime. I hope you didn't study law in Harvard, if so I hope you don't represent me in the future.

It's official. I've lost all hope in humanity.

I do not think that it's a shame to marry someone because you want something from her.

90% of the men in the world would agree to marry Angelina Julie, for her money and because she's Angelina Julie! And it's OK right? So if suddenly someone wants to marry an American just so he could live in America, is it wrong? Of course not, marrying someone for money and fame is much worse.

You are still 16, although I thought that you were in your 20s. You might change your mind in about 5 years after you are done with college. (of course I hope that the DREAM ACT would pass in the next 5 years). However, I understand you point of view that marriage should be done for love and I have a friend that was thinking exactly like you and in college he got married to a Journalist (from love) and also got his green card.

You wouldn't be breaking the law if you married someone for a green card. If it's a real marriage, nothing is illegal here. Immoral - Yes. Unethical - Yes. But it's not against the law as long as you don't do like many idiots and pay someone to marry you for a green card (not recommended but people who do it should learn how to do it right).


If immigrants made it to the top of their class without even being born here, I'm sure that they can get a good education and be very successful people, as long as their government would let them work. And this is the problem.


I do like your way of thinking, it's the people who makes the country and not the country who makes the people. It's exactly right. If you'll get a legal status in this country, I have no doubt that you could succeed since you'd have the SSN and the education and will power to do so.

I don't speak nonsense, I read many posts here and people with a master's degree that are also working in construction and some are not working at all.

A degree from Harvard, even if it could get you a work permit in the US, you wouldn't qualify for it from one reason - YOU HAVE AN IMMIGRATION VIOLATION IN YOUR RECORD and it means that you'll have to go to your home country, get the 10 years ban and try to get a visa in 10 more years. You're options are the DREAM Act or some other part of amnesty, or a marriage to a US citizen. That's life.

I didn't study law, and I didn't study in Harvard but I always made some very good money and was able to afford anything I wanted.

In the past kings used to marry queens from a different country just for peace. Some gay basketball players are marrying women just so their fans won't think that they are homosexuals (which could ruin their career). In Hollywood people get married and divorce a day or a week later. NOTHING is illegal here. As long as the marriage is real, even if it's a marriage out of convenience - Did money exchange hands? If not, it's legal. This is the law.

Soon I'll get married and get a green card. Why am I getting married in a young age? Because I want a green card. Will I spend the rest of my life with her? Probably not. Am I paying her? Of course not. It's a real marriage and I'll give it a shot. If it doesn't work out - I'll divorce with a green card and if it does work out I'll stay married and have a green card.

Many people divorce and remarried I know someone who got divorced 8 times.

Is this not talking about illegal behavior? Do we really need to break this up in a Socratic manner to show that you are indeed talking about illegal behavior?

Just for the sake of the argument, suppose that you are in court; in front of an immigration judge. Furthermore, let's say that you provide the argument above as the basis for both the legitimacy of your marriage and application for your permanent residency. Do you believe that the judge would consider your actions legal? I highly doubt it.