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Compromise - Adding Requirements to DREAM Act - Page 2

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09-19-2010, 08:54 PM
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Make it a four year bachelor's degree instead of an associate degree.

An associate degree in Communications or English major is a joke and these associates of communications or English don't deserve a green card.
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09-19-2010, 09:33 PM
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Make it a four year bachelor's degree instead of an associate degree.

An associate degree in Communications or English major is a joke and these associates of communications or English don't deserve a green card.
Well thats where you have an issue, many community colleges offer 2-3 year degrees that would allow you to start working as a RN/LPN/CNA, dental hygienist, dental assistant, physicians assistant, lab tech, phlebotomy, early childhood education, computer science etc...

These are referred to as Associates in Applied Science. (AAS)

They could extended the Military time so it doesn't sound so ridiculous to those who know a little more about military contracts. All military contracts are 8 years. But there are variants you can choose in contracts. The most common is 4 years active, 4 years inactive (pretty much as an inactive you won't be called upon unless America is in a massive war and gets to the point where the reserves are being drained and the National Guard is hardly a supplement. (WWII, for example, the National Guard made up 40% of the US fighting force). However, certain jobs in the military require different minimum years active. 11B (Infantry) in the US army can do the traditional 4 years active 4 inactive. However, a 68W (Health Care Specialist) has to commit a minimum of 5 years active, 3 inactive to make up for the year spent in training. So requiring someone to complete a minimum of 4 years active in a contract (person may get more depending on MOS, or job.) with an honorable discharge at the end of enlistment.

Just remember the Army isn't exclusively infantry and explosive ordnance disposal (EOD). The Army alone has over 150 jobs to choose from, and in the Airforce only 4% of the people serving fly planes. There is a a lot of variety to choose from in the military.

For those who ONLY pursue an associates degree (AA or AS not an AAS) community service hours should be included as a supplement. Those who pursue an Bachelors should not have to.
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take out the age limit and i would leave the the 1996 law intact. might say that all pay outstate nobody what as last resort. would allow international students as long as they fit the 16/5 formula. would also make it clearer of the hardship exemption and make proving the 16/5 formula much harder. perhaps pictures of the soccer team or first communion would be mandatory.
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Force us to pay for college out of loans.
We'll be full of loans, but it'll stimulate the economy!
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To make it tougher and for Reps to think its not 'amnesty' then how about adding a fine of $5,000, 4 years of college and/or 4 years of military.

Instead of 6 years, make it 10.

Take out the in-tuition fees. Must pay out of pocket international fees. If this is what it takes to pass then so be it. Atleast there is an opportunity and a path to citizenship.

Limit the amount of time a DREAMer can stay out of country.
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I don't really think that raising the requirements would change anything. Those who view this as an amnesty will continue to view this as one even if the beneficiaries of this bill could never become full citizens (and thus not be able to bring others with them) or even if they had to pay exorbitant fines or perform excessive community and/or military service.

The number of people who will be swayed by additional requirement is so limited that it's much better to just focus on getting people to support the idea of the act as a whole.

Besides, all of those additional requirements will probably hurt more than they would help. Requiring military service from dreamers would balloon the military by several hundred thousand to a million more people; considering how they're actually trying to slowly cut back and demobilize parts of the military, this is not doable. Requiring dreamers to pay out of state tuition is also not doable because a) tuition requirements are decided on a per-state level, b) it's extremely difficult and rather unreasonable to ask someone to pay $8k/semester+ for tuition. That will help neither the dreamers nor the college. After all, the educational system is there to help the people going through the system as it is to help the community and the economy as a whole.

I would personally raise the entry-level bar to just under 18 years of age and then keep the rest of the bill the same.
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It is kind of pointless theorizing about this. I hope you guys are ready to call today. Take a look at the DAP calling list, found in this forum's stickies
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the whole compromise is supposed to be that it is attached to the defense bill but u know those crazy republican nut baggers...
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repost sorry
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Make it a four year bachelor's degree instead of an associate degree.

An associate degree in Communications or English major is a joke and these associates of communications or English don't deserve a green card.
Screw you I have an associates degree in communications. Sorry, I am not a fat whore who is majoring in something boring like Micro Biology.

I plan on getting a BA if this passes though.
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