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09-20-2010, 09:48 PM
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http://blogs.ilw.com/immigrationdail...procedure.html

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1. Comment: DREAM Procedure - To the best of our understanding,
here is the procedure currently being followed for DREAM. There
will be a cloture vote on S. 3455, the DoD Authorization Act on
Tuesday, the 21st of September. If the Majority Party succeeds
in invoking cloture, S. 729, the DREAM bill, will be offered as
an amendment. Sen. McCain, among others, has objected strongly to
this procedure, since the Minority Party has not so far been
permitted to offer its amendments to the underlying bill, while
the Majority Party has not only scheduled a vote on DREAM, but
also on "Don't Ask Don't Tell", and other election-time
amendments. It is possible that the two parties will compromise
on the procedure, and that a more convoluted process might thus
result (including permitting another DREAM amendment with fewer
benefits instead of S. 729). Compromise or no, given the strong
disagreements on display on the Senate floor in the 111th
Congress, several cloture votes are likely before the bill clears
the Senate. Even should the Majority Party prevail through all of
this, it must be borne in mind that the travails of DREAM would
have just begun. That's because the Senate is not considering
H.R. 5822, the House version of the bill, and because these are
appropriations bills, the House cannot, even if it wanted to,
acquiesce in S. 3455 (as amended). Instead, the action will then
move to conference. This spells great peril for DREAM, here's
why. Once conference is sought on DoD Appropriations, the
conference committee may not issue its final report until after
the election, and the vote on the conference report may happen in
a lame duck session.
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/1...ws-gop-rebukes
Furthermore, the conference committee may well choose to strip
DREAM from the final report. The excuse that would undoubtedly be
then given is that there are insufficient votes on the House
floor for DREAM. If the Democrats have by then lost their
majority for the 112th House in November, the excuse might even
be true. This is because, should the Democrats insist on DREAM's
inclusion at that time, the by-then-newly-emboldened Republicans
may be in no room for compromise, and may offer only to agree to
a continuing resolution to tide matters over until the 112th
Congress convenes, and may repeatedly filibuster the lame duck
session's business. If the Republicans have just received a fresh
mandate from the people, it may be foolish for the Democrats to
resist the Republicans too much at that stage. All of the
foregoing procedure (incorporating policy) is just Politics 101
inside the Beltway, now for the Machiavellian touch. It is
possible that the Democratic leadership is deliberately setting
DREAM up for failure, either on a cloture vote, or through a
stab-in-the-back in conference. There are three advantages to the
Democratic leadership in such Machiavellian maneuvering: (a) the
Democratic leadership gets to posture as pro-immigrant just prior
to the election, thus providing the flimsy substance for the
propaganda that their concern for immigrants' issues extends
beyond votes for Democrats (b) should the Univision viewership be
skeptical in buying the claim that the Democrats are the
immigrants' friends, the Democratic leadership gets a second bite
at the apple by repeatedly using video clips of Republicans
denouncing DREAM on the Senate floor (this has already begun,
Republican Senators Hatch and Bennett of Utah, previous DREAM
supporters, now oppose DREAM) in ads on Spanish language TV
stations in the build-up to November - the strategy here being
that the enemy of your enemy is your friend, the conclusion
hammered to immigrants being: vote Democratic (c) even should
DREAM survive a cloture vote now, the Democratic leadership gets
to conveniently kill DREAM just after the election, thus keeping
a large, million-strong constituency hungry and angry, ready to
serve as Democratic pawns in the next election in 2012.
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09-20-2010, 10:06 PM
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Thanks for killing my day / week / month / year.
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09-20-2010, 10:08 PM
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Thanks for killing my day / week / month / year.
Don't know what the whole article is about, but it mde me lol (No offense)

Anyways let's hope for the best tomorrow.
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Don't know what the whole article is about, but it mde me lol (No offense)

Anyways let's hope for the best tomorrow.
It basically said that even if we get 60 votes in the Senate tomorrow for the Dream Act, they WILL have to combine that with the House version of the Dream Act.

They will have a "conference" to combine the two and the final report will likely be after the election.

Which by then is too late because the Dems will have lost Congress.
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09-20-2010, 10:35 PM
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No one knows the outcome. Whether anyone thinks it will be positive or negative is irrelevant. We have to fight for it turn in our favor, but no one knows the solid answers on who will vote for it, against, and what is going to happen to it. One thing is for sure, this won't be our only chance as the last time it was brought up wasn't our only chance.

Stay positive and fight, we'll find out the rest shortly.
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09-20-2010, 10:38 PM
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Oh. Well.
Now I'm very fucking depressed.
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09-20-2010, 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by The_Journey View Post
It basically said that even if we get 60 votes in the Senate tomorrow for the Dream Act, they WILL have to combine that with the House version of the Dream Act.

They will have a "conference" to combine the two and the final report will likely be after the election.

Which by then is too late because the Dems will have lost Congress.
But it will be attached the defense bill which passes every year without fail, so the biggest hurdle is tomorrow. Not a done dela yet, but if passes tomorrow, the outlook is 100 times better.
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09-20-2010, 11:29 PM
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I don't think some of the statements the author makes in the blog are entirely correct, or the presentation is so negative that it just distorts the truth.

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Furthermore, the conference committee may well choose to strip
DREAM from the final report. The excuse that would undoubtedly be
then given is that there are insufficient votes on the House
floor for DREAM. If the Democrats have by then lost their
majority for the 112th House in November, the excuse might even
be true.
Yeah, ok. First of all Dems have a super majority in the House, and if they get Rep. votes for cloture in the Senate, there is no way they won't be able to get at least few votes in the House. It's not like Representatives and Senators from the same party are 2 separate entities wanting 2 completely different things (this did happen in 2006 of course, but there were other issues that are not really present here), when it comes to something as major as a DoD bill.

Second of all, you keep your seats until Jan so even if you lose your election you still have your voting power until Jan.

Third, the conference committee is chosen by the houses based on majority and leadership. Obviously, the Senate won't really reject its own amendment and the Dems have a super majority in the house, so I don't see Pelosi "giving an order" to reject the DA.

Fourth, a conference committee doesn't strip the bill of amendments. They just give one of 3 recommendations in the final report: 1.Senate should remove the amendment, 2. House should accept the Senate's language of a particular amendments 3. Senate and House make a compromise. The House would have to have an axe to grind with the Senate to just reject the Dream Act.

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/riddick/449-493.pdf
Last edited by gebodupa; 09-20-2010 at 11:29 PM.. Reason: Added the link, if someone wants to read about what the conference committee does
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09-20-2010, 11:30 PM
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We're talking about MILLIONS of innocent young adults being abandoned and the fucking heartless racist Republicans still portraying us as violent criminals.

For fucks sakes, we didn't do shit.

Were 5 year olds or 8 year olds suppose to stick to their principles and stay behind in their country and starve to death????

FUCK THE REPUBLICANS, SO TIRED OF THEIR RACIST SHIT.
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09-20-2010, 11:36 PM
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I really hope that lawmakers realize that we are more than just political pawns. We are real people with real dreams and real emotions. For nine years the DREAM Act has languished in the Senate. For nine years the dreams of people like us have been delayed.

We did not choose to come here illegally, but why do lawmakers keep punishing us? They let us dream. And then they crush those dreams to pieces. We can only take so much. But what do we do? We play along because we have no choice.

I want to cry because I feel helpless. I know that no progress will be made if lawmakers continue to do what is easy instead of what is right. Yet, I continue to hope. I hope that there will be enough leaders in Congress who will be brave enough to fight for the rights of the helpless like us.
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