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12-04-2010, 02:52 AM
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This is a great post, thanks for your support. I would write what you wrote straight to Durbin/Reid.

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First of all, I am a very long time browser but not much a poster. However, after reading all your posts and situation, I feel your pain since I am in the same boat. I am not sure why S.3992 had changed the language regarding the retroactive provision (Section 7 in the bill). It does NOT make any sense.

Any dreamers that have ALREADY completed the 2 year college requirement and above 30 should be include in the Retroactive provision. Why you may ask? Well, more than likely these dreamers had one or more college degrees but cannot contribute to society due to their immigration status. Furthermore, these dreamers are ready now to join the work force and become assets to America. Dreamers in high school at the moment will take at least 4 to 8 years before they will earn a college degree and join the work force. But there is a very big IF for these high school dreamers to complete the full path. Based on MPI study, 2.1 million may be qualified (based on age of 35) for DA, but only ~ 880k will complete the full path.

Now, you have a group of Dreamers that are in their 30s or higher with one or several college degrees. They are ready and able to contribute to society. Based on MPI study (cut off age of 35), this group of Dreamers consisted of only one percent (1%) of total 2.1 million beneficiaries (page 5 of study). To me, these 1% or estimated 18,000 dreamers are the cream of the crop since they are ready and able NOW. There are NO big IFs.

I understand to get more Republican votes, some compromises need to be made. However, removing these 1% or 18,000 dreamers who already have completed one or more college degrees is illogical. They should be Dream Act champions. They worked / studied hard and we want future dreamers to strive to be like them as productive contributors of our society.

Ready-Made > Work-in-progress!

Now, back to regular programming and let's get back to calling those Senators at the fence.

Everyone please help DA user and all dreamers over age of 30 with college degree(s) by calling or sending fax to Reid regarding the wording of Section 7 of S.3992. Removing the age limit of retroactive provision will include a group of dreamers that can join the work force now and help revive our very depressed economy.
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12-04-2010, 02:54 AM
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DA User, I am sorry I ever posted sniping comments about your optimism. I feel bad for you and others over 30 who this new version affects.

I think this new bill is bad for us in the long run, assuming that no version of the DREAM Act passes this session. Continually caving to the opposition's demands only encourages them to come up with newer, crazier demands. This is the Republican strategy for the last two years, and it shows no sign of changing--witness Mitch McConnell's "Contract with Rich Americans" that the Republicans signed on Wednesday. They hold out the possibility they will call off their attack dogs if the Democrats cave on tax cuts for the rich, but they will doubtless resort to filibustering everything once they get a concession on that demand.

I can foresee the final version of the DREAM Act resulting from this rightward drift, which the Republicans would finally end up voting for: deportation of any undocumented students who are able to get into college, despite all the barriers erected by America's xenophobes. Ugh.
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Cal call call! Tell them to put back 35 and/or Retro.
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12-04-2010, 06:24 PM
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Maybe they were thinking that if you're 30+ and have a degree then what is there to fullfill in your 10 years? More school ?Military (kinda impossible)? , in paper it just doesn't look like a pathway but more of an amnesty. But to the guy that said that if he doesn't get it nobody else should. Hmmm, You might've worked HARD and got arrested for this bill but its NOT just you. Trust me.
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Love how DA User is now urging us to call when in the past he sat on his hands...and stupid optimism.
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12-04-2010, 08:28 PM
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Atleast he was optimistic and kept everyone's hopes high. No matter what he always commented positive. As he has been there and seen so many times being Dream Act goin in d drain. Now, we all should support him and should urge congress to add the original dreamers in the passage. Good luck to everyone ) We all want it to get thru together, don't want to leave any behind. As our cause is d same, our parents have been living in d shadows for too long. We need a immigration reform so everyone can live their life without any fear and obsticles. Good luck!!!
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12-04-2010, 08:49 PM
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i am not calling them and ask them because i am not 30-35 years old!!
i just need mine!! thats it!
sucks for age 30-35 years old! muhahaha~!
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Maybe they were thinking that if you're 30+ and have a degree then what is there to fullfill in your 10 years? More school ?Military (kinda impossible)? , in paper it just doesn't look like a pathway but more of an amnesty. But to the guy that said that if he doesn't get it nobody else should. Hmmm, You might've worked HARD and got arrested for this bill but its NOT just you. Trust me.
The people with degrees can immediatly produce in the economy while others who don't have a degree will have to atleast get 2 years. Keep in the mind this bill, this bill started in 2001 and now there are many who will be left out.

How is Military impossible?
What do you mean arrested for this bill?
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Maybe they were thinking that if you're 30+ and have a degree then what is there to fullfill in your 10 years? More school ?Military (kinda impossible)? , in paper it just doesn't look like a pathway but more of an amnesty. But to the guy that said that if he doesn't get it nobody else should. Hmmm, You might've worked HARD and got arrested for this bill but its NOT just you. Trust me.
This makes no sense what so ever. You don’t realize how hard it is to complete a degree without having any papers and stating that “in paper it just doesn't look like a pathway but more of an amnesty” what you are thinking. Dream act’s core purpose is to reward and give residence to hard working individuals. Mind you the original dreamer were the age group 30+ and they were not brought here by choose. Visualize yourself being in their shoes and think about it. This is not fair, well life is not fair, we realize this, but we will keep our heads up and if dream act doesn’t work out for us then we’ll move on, like we have been so far…… if Americans do not want our talents then be it .. We love this country because we grew up here
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12-06-2010, 10:12 AM
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I can understand both sides of argument regarding Dreamers over age of 30. However, I am addressing Dreamers over age of 30 with one or more college degrees (Retroactive Benefits, Sec. 7 of S.3992). There is a big difference. The latter worked / studied hard to achieve their college degrees without having anything to look forward to. Here is a simple analogy: why do you want to go down a dark path without having a glimpse of light at the end of the path?

Many Dreamers beneficiaries over age of 30 have giving up on college UNTIL Dream Act passes. This is a common response from these Dreamers: "Why waste money on college if you cannot use your degree?". On the other hand, some Dreamers over age 30 have continued the dark path and hope for something at the end of it. They took the initiatives and some how completed their college degrees. If anything else, they are the original Dreamers and deserve to benefit from this legislation (esp. from the Retroactive Benefits, Sec. 7 of S.3992).

Back to my original argument, why remove the estimated 1% or 18,000 Dreamers (MPI study, page 5) from the bill (Sec 7, S.3992)? It does not make any sense and it is illogical since these estimated 18,000 Dreamers are ready NOW and able to contribute to society. Perhaps, one of these Dreamers will become the next Mark Z. of Facebook, Sergey B. of Google, or Jerry C. of Yahoo.

Back to regular programming. Continue to call those Senators on the fence and continue to advocate for original Retroactive Benefits.
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