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#21
12-12-2010, 06:32 PM
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Just wondering, what will 30+ year old DREAMers do if they were qualified for the DREAM Act?

As you had stated, they are already here and need to support their family. That crosses out education. It must be difficult to finish the education requirement, let alone get a bachelors if they need to support their family and pay for education (I'm assuming 30+ DREAMers most likely have children as well). This only leaves the military option as a viable choice; you make money, but not a feasible amount. I say this because a 2 year degree is not competitive at all nowadays. Call me crazy, but even a bachelors holds no competition when most people are obtaining masters degrees. So even if they did successfully finish a 2 year degree simply to fulfill the DREAM Act requirement, it would not get them a cutting edge career either way. So wouldn't it have been better to have left before hitting 30 and starting the path to education rather than waiting and waiting? Some of us are fortunate to obtain university level education even as undocumented students, but I don't think I'd have the willpower to start schooling at an age 30 years or older.

Maybe I'm wrong, so someone enlighten me because I don't have any friends who have associates degrees.

it depends on the person...u obviously sound like u have money...so let me put it this way...it all depends on how hard u want it!! my sis has a masters and my bro has a bs in biology and gonna do pre-med....they are 29 and 30 and they take care of our family and have multiple jobs and no just cuz their older doesnt mean they have children (palm to face) ...2 years of education thats all that da asks for and u dont think someone in their 30s will do that in order to get legalized come on dude !! ignorance is bliss my child!!
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12-12-2010, 06:34 PM
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I don't visit this forum anymore as the influx of new members has turned it upside down, but the title of this thread is equally negative.
i dont mean to make it negative it just had to be said...yes its a forum for anyones opinion but come on people quit with the negative comments towards the older dreamers thats all i ask for and they deserve that much respect from us...im done!
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it depends on the person...u obviously sound like u have money...so let me put it this way...it all depends on how hard u want it!! my sis has a masters and my bro has a bs in biology and gonna do pre-med....they are 29 and 30 and they take care of our family and have multiple jobs and no just cuz their older doesnt mean they have children (palm to face) ...2 years of education thats all that da asks for and u dont think someone in their 30s will do that in order to get legalized come on dude !! ignorance is bliss my child!!
Perhaps assuming the older generation may have started a family already might have been too much, but again, you ignored my question completely. What will they do after they finish the 2 years of education? Their AA degree is completely useless, and university education is expensive. As you said, if they have family to take care of, wouldn't taking out loans to fund a 4 year degree be detrimental to the finances of a family? Seems like a pothole to me. When you're younger, you don't have as many tied hands.
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i dont mean to make it negative it just had to be said...yes its a forum for anyones opinion but come on people quit with the negative comments towards the older dreamers thats all i ask for and they deserve that much respect from us...im done!
No, I'm a mean ogre.

Anyways, back to work. I'm going to disappear before the cavalry arrives to chew me up.
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You quit telling us how we should act. As long as everyone is respectful, they should be able to say whatever they want. DA User has shown that he does not intend to be respectful to others, or else he would have stopped with his constant trolling.
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12-12-2010, 06:41 PM
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Just wondering, what will 30+ year old DREAMers do if they were qualified for the DREAM Act?

As you had stated, they are already here and need to support their family. That crosses out education. It must be difficult to finish the education requirement, let alone get a bachelors if they need to support their family and pay for education (I'm assuming 30+ DREAMers most likely have children as well). This only leaves the military option as a viable choice; you make money, but not a feasible amount. I say this because a 2 year degree is not competitive at all nowadays. Call me crazy, but even a bachelors holds no competition when most people are obtaining masters degrees. So even if they did successfully finish a 2 year degree simply to fulfill the DREAM Act requirement, it would not get them a cutting edge career either way. So wouldn't it have been better to have left before hitting 30 and starting the path to education rather than waiting and waiting? Some of us are fortunate to obtain university level education even as undocumented students, but I don't think I'd have the willpower to start schooling at an age 30 years or older.

Maybe I'm wrong, so someone enlighten me because I don't have any friends who have associates degrees.
Wow...more proof to my post. How do you know that they don't already have degrees? 10 years of work experience makes you far, far more employable than just having a degree and this is why you see college graduates unable to find jobs. Other than medicine, law, and few others; the job market is tight for those with no marketable skills. It must suck for people like you who have to tolerate living with their parents; but one of the rewards of being a fully indenpendent, responsible adult is that you support yourself. Once you are forced to provide your own housing, food, healthcare, etc; you will do what you have to do. And you do not only need a bachelor's degree to make a living. RNs only need an AA degree. Salary in WA state with experience: $47,000. More than a schoolteacher with a BA or even MA. The department of education published data that shows technical and vocational education might be the future of a lot of the unemployed now. The idiots who butchered the original DA removed the technical/vocational degree clause from the legislation.

A lot of jobs are gone for good for many holding college degrees and what these people are doing is going back to school to learn a new career. You think that you cannot do that at 35? Unless you have been living under a rock, there's no way you cannot know this because every news website and paper has a front-page article regarding career/unemployment daily. You need to start doing things for yourself and stop living such a sheltered life. Depending on others disables you.
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Wow...more proof to my post. How do you know that they don't already have degrees? 10 years of work experience makes you far, far more employable than just having a degree and this is why you see college graduates unable to find jobs. Other than medicine, law, and few others; the job market is tight for those with no marketable skills. It must suck for people like you who have to tolerate living with their parents; but one of the rewards of being a fully indenpendent, responsible adult is that you support yourself. Once you are forced to provide your own housing, food, healthcare, etc; you will do what you have to do. And you do not only need a bachelor's degree to make a living. RNs only need an AA degree. Salary in WA state with experience: $47,000. More than a schoolteacher with a BA or even MA. The department of education published data that shows technical and vocational education might be the future of a lot of the unemployed now. The idiots who butchered the original DA removed the technical/vocational degree clause from the legislation.

A lot of jobs are gone for good for many holding college degrees and what these people are doing is going back to school to learn a new career. You think that you cannot do that at 35? Unless you have been living under a rock, there's no way you cannot know this because every news website and paper has a front-page article regarding career/unemployment daily. You need to start doing things for yourself and stop living such a sheltered life. Depending on others disables you.
Are you kidding me? 10 years of marketable job experience in what field? Holding a bachelors for 10 years without actually entering the field because you were undocumented doesn't equate to 10 years of work experience in the field of your choice. Are you seriously going to tell me that my working in a cafe for the last few years while attempting to finish my 4 year degree will be marketable when I attempt to find a position as a research assistant? You've got to be joking me.

In addition, how is less than $60,000 a comfortable living salary had one actually made it further than an associates degree? Take two more years of education to become a upper level nurse rather than the types who clean patient's stool for a living and you'd make much more. Otherwise, if they were intelligent enough to obtain higher level degrees, they should have simply left and found jobs in other countries. I would do the same after a few years if the DREAM Act does not pass. It's life.

Furthermore, how can you assume that simply because we're younger, we live under our parents' roof? It's amazing how the defenders of inactivity think.
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12-12-2010, 06:53 PM
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Oskieo what made you even write this thread ?
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Oskieo what made you even write this thread ?
Self-righteousness.
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You need to start doing things for yourself and stop living such a sheltered life.
Ironic. You propose that people get out of their seemingly sheltered life, yet you don't seem to realize that 30-35 DREAMers being excluded is another example of "real life". It's impossible to get everything one wants, and one should be prepared for the worst.
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In addition, how is less than $60,000 a comfortable living salary had one actually made it further than an associates degree? Take two more years of education to become a upper level nurse rather than the types who clean patient's stool for a living and you'd make much more. Furthermore, if they were intelligent enough to obtain higher level degrees, they should have simply left and found jobs in other countries. I would do the same after a few years if the DREAM Act does not pass. It's life.

Furthermore, how can you assume that simply because we're younger, we live under our parents' roof? It's amazing how the defenders of inactivity think
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Well, obviously if DA passes and you qualify; you can get a loan and continue your education to get a bachelor's degree and master's. That's the whole point: educational opportunity. Most public school teachers do not make $60,000 or more per year and they do not live in shelters , you can rest assured.

How do you pay for your education and housing working at a cafe? Because I know for a fact that you cannot possibly earn enough to pay for these there. You do not have marketable skills; others do.

Food for thought. Have a nice day.
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First of all, you can keep your patronizing comments to yourself. "You can wait 10 years or move out of this country" - This shows that you are immature and don't know anything about life. The individuals in the 30-34 group have been working and supporting themselves and their families; as well as paying taxes during the last decade. So they should give up their hope and fight just because a selfish brat like you who's been reaping taxpayer benefits and probably living under the parents' roof says so? Keep dreaming. If DA doesn't pass, take your own advice and good luck to you.
1. The reason why I said "wait 10 years" is because something is telling me the CIR is going take a while to pass, look at the DA. But who knows, maybe it will pass in 2 year, 5 years, 20 years or never, who knows? (It's my fault for talking about the CIR)

2. Well, if you get older, do you still want to live here? I mean, do you want to be 45 years old and be still stuck in this situation? Dont you want to enjoy life and etc? That is why I said you can move out of this country so that you can full fill your dreams and live your life, not stay here for the rest of your life and wait for something to happen. I hope you understand what I am trying to say.

3. I am going to ignore the rest of your comments, because I feel like you mistunderstood my post.
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