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#11
12-12-2010, 06:38 PM
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Can you link me to your CC's website? The site should have a list of their regular clubs.

I'm sure that there is AT LEAST one. Even if there isn't, I am sure that there are people within the campus (faculty, advisers, counselors, administration, etc.) that would like to help you.
here's the brochure that they had passed out this semester for the club rush: http://www.elcamino.edu/studentservi...ochure_f10.pdf
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12-12-2010, 06:42 PM
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Best advice!

Really, you have to report him. Don't be afraid man. I commend you for not being quiet on class. But now it is time to go to a higher administration and report him. Also, don't just do it once. Keep at it. Keep asking what they have done with the case. Show them that you care.
I will be doing it this week, thank you. I just hope they don't think of me as just another sensitive girl reporting him as there were few fellow female students that have reported his insensitivity.

And like I mentioned earlier, I will be starting a club advocating for the Dream Act that's also going to be a support group for AB540 students in the campus. Wish me luck!
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12-12-2010, 11:53 PM
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watch out for the "freedom of speech" excuse

I can understand your pain, but be strong

all the advice I can give to you is ignore his ass
Oh my God. Seems like most people here have the definition of Freedom of Speech all wrong. I just posted an extended response at http://dreamact.info/forum/showthrea...345#post196345

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The fighting words doctrine, in United States constitutional law, is a limitation to freedom of speech as protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. In its 9-0 decision, Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire (1942), the U.S. Supreme Court established the doctrine and held that "insulting or 'fighting words,' those that by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace" ...
Calling illegal immigrants "wetbacks", with or without knowing that one was present, was a clear violation of this doctrine. I would go as far as to file a law suit against the school after obviously reporting him.
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12-13-2010, 12:58 AM
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Well, the beauty of law is that it can be interpreted differently and the one who has the last word is the judge.
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The fighting words doctrine, in United States constitutional law, is a limitation to freedom of speech as protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. In its 9-0 decision, Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire (1942), the U.S. Supreme Court established the doctrine and held that "insulting or 'fighting words,' those that by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace" .
So, your point would depend on the meaning given to "breach of the peace". The peace can be breached without actual physical damage occurring.
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A comprehensive term encompassing acts or conduct that seriously endanger or disturb public peace and order.
Acts or Conduct - Not necessarily an act.
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It is frequently defined as constituting a form of disorderly conduct. Examples include using abusive or obscene language in a public place, resisting a lawful arrest, and trespassing or damaging property when accompanied by violence.
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So, I can't say you are wrong but you can't say I am. It would depend on who's ruling. Anyway, had that happened to me I would have probably file complains and consult a lawyer but most likely I would not have gone through with a lawsuit.
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12-13-2010, 01:05 AM
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QUOTED FROM THE PROFESSOR'S SYLLABUS:

"I will not deal with individuals who are not enrolled in this class -- be they parents, guardians, political, social, or religious leaders! They have no say in either individual or the group the relationship we share in this class. As the instructor of record, I do not tolerate either censorship or 'group think' in my classes; we will have an honest, open, and respectful exchange of ideas."
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12-13-2010, 01:11 AM
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QUOTED FROM THE PROFESSOR'S SYLLABUS:

"I will not deal with individuals who are not enrolled in this class -- be they parents, guardians, political, social, or religious leaders! They have no say in either individual or the group the relationship we share in this class. As the instructor of record, I do not tolerate either censorship or 'group think' in my classes; we will have an honest, open, and
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Respectful. Do you think you were respected when he called undocumented immigrants "wetbacks"?
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12-13-2010, 01:17 AM
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Respectful. Do you think you were respected when he called undocumented immigrants "wetbacks"?
not that I don't agree with you nor that I'm defending him, but he might have been just trying to provoke ideas out of us. I'm not so sure as to whether he was trying to insult anyone by saying that, especially with the fact that his mom was Mexican and he is half-White.
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12-13-2010, 02:51 AM
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Just because he's half Mexican, it doesn't mean he can't be racist towards them. Hitler was part Jewish.
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12-13-2010, 03:23 AM
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and there are Mexican Minute Men.... sad but true.... and saying those things to a group of people that like you said agreed with him for the most part was not going to provoke any unexpected reaction. Now saying something they didn't agree with would have. But if you really feel that his intentions were pure then why did get upset? and cried?
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12-13-2010, 03:53 AM
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i like what you said in the classroom, plus the fact you walked out like that! that'll make some people really think. and i salute you for standing up like that!!
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