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New Showdown: House Plans Vote on Military Gay Ban DADT - Page 2

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They (we) can join if they want to.
Not openly.
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We like to argue that the DREAM Act is a civil rights issue, so is this.
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Not openly.
I'm sorry, but it doesn't really matter because we can still serve. I don't understand what the big deal is, someone's orientation shouldn't matter and should also be kept private and personal, and you should also know that there are times and situations when you can't be as open as you wish you were about your orientation. Many of the gay people who are in the military are closeted by choice as well. And while this is an issue that mildly affects me in case I want to join the military one day, it doesn't affect me as much as DA not passing, or in an extreme case--gay marriage not becoming legal.
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This is stupid.

How many people actually are harmed by DADT? Is there really that many gay people who are willing to fight and protest to join the Army?

Are you serious? Which rock have you been living under? You are aware there are other major issues in this country besides DREAM, right?

I hope they repeal DADT.
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I'm sorry, but it doesn't really matter because they can still serve. I don't understand what the big deal is, someone's orientation shouldn't matter and should also be kept private and personal, and you should also know that there are times and situations when you can't be as open as you wish you were. Many of the gay people who are in the military are closeted by choice as well.
Nice job pulling facts out of your ass. You are right in saying that someone's orientation shouldn't matter, but you are wrong in saying that it should be kept private. You can be openly heterosexual yet you cannot be openly homosexual.
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I say they keep the DADT policy. However, it should be applied to both gay and straight ppl.
If you are straight and you mention you have a wife/husband/gf/bf, then you are out of the military.

Simple really.
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Nice job pulling facts out of your ass. You are right in saying that someone's orientation shouldn't matter, but you are wrong in saying that it should be kept private. You can be openly heterosexual yet you cannot be openly homosexual.
It's not pulling facts out of my ass, the gay community is beyond hard to understand, and I know it because I'm part of the gay community. There are many cliques, groups, communities--guys, who enroll in the military and are gay and don't decide to come out because they like living a personal and discreet life, and they feel that they shouldn't disclose their orientation because it does not define them as a person, because being gay or heterosexual socially limits you to what you can and can't do. When you go into the army or even stuff like JROTC, you don't really disclose your orientation because people automatically assume you can't do what the heterosexual guy next to you can do.
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It's not pulling facts out of my ass, the gay community is beyond hard to understand, and I know it because I'm part of the gay community. There are many cliques, groups, communities--guys, who enroll in the military and are gay and don't decide to come out because they like living a personal and discreet life, and they feel that they shouldn't disclose their orientation because it does not define them as a person, because being gay or heterosexual socially limits you to what you can and can't do. When you go into the army or even stuff like JROTC, you don't really disclose your orientation because people automatically assume you can't do what the heterosexual guy next to you can do.
And yet there are still gays who wish to serve in the military openly. Poll after poll, most of the country agrees that it needs to be repealed. Hell, even the military agrees that it needs to be repealed. There really is no reason to keep this stupid law in place.
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Nice job pulling facts out of your ass. You are right in saying that someone's orientation shouldn't matter, but you are wrong in saying that it should be kept private. You can be openly heterosexual yet you cannot be openly homosexual.
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And yet there are still gays who wish to serve in the military openly. Poll after poll, most of the country agrees that it needs to be repealed. Hell, even the military agrees that it needs to be repealed. There really is no reason to keep this stupid law in place.
Obviously, it shouldn't be a law and I fully agree with that, but my main point is that I believe that there are other things that require higher attention, the most important being the DA, because at least gay people can serve in the military. Openly? No, of course not, but they can still serve none the less. In that case, gay marriage should have a higher priority than DADT because what would happen to a gay couple who has been together for let's say 40 years, than someone dies serving the country, the other person will not be allowed or granted any of the health care benefits or insurances after his/her partner dies because they are not legally married. In my opinion of "controversial" bills to pass in this time and day or near future should be:
1. DA
2. Gay Marriage
3. DADT.
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Obviously, it shouldn't be a law and I fully agree with that, but my main point is that I believe that there are other things that require higher attention, the most important being the DA, because at least gay people can serve in the military. Openly? No, of course not, but they can still serve none the less. In that case, gay marriage should have a higher priority than DADT because what would happen to a gay couple who has been together for let's say 40 years, than someone dies serving the country, the other person will not be allowed or granted any of the health care benefits or insurances after his/her partner dies because they are not legally married. In my opinion of "controversial" bills to pass in this time and day or near future should be:
1. DA
2. Gay Marriage
3. DADT.
Well, yeah. I actually agree with you on this post and on the importance of DA, gay marriage, and DADT.
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