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Should a person who enters this country, illegally, of his own volition, be afforded special treatment because he was able to evade the border patrol? Tricked an employer? Lied on their I9?

Should the child who was brought in, illegally and unwittingly, be allowed to sponsor the illegal parent for legal status if the child is given any status? Or any other family members?

Should a person brought at a young age, who hasn't done anything with their lives be accorded status? Not COMPLETED college or even high school? Who has committed crimes?

And so on......

Failure of this bill is not because Americans do not see worth in you. We don't see worth in the rest of the illegals who have, DELIBERATLY, snuck into this country.

The problems with this act are in the loopholes it has for those who, knowingly, broke the law, the chain migration it allows, the leniency it has for allowing status, the failure to enforce existing immigration laws, the failure of securing the border and the timing.

I have to agree with the premise of it not being a childs fault and that their parent(s) placed them in this situation. They, the parent(s), did and should gain no reward for it. They should be punished. For entering ilegally and for destroying their childs future.

Here is what I would suggest as a viable solution, as harsh as it may sound, You COMPLETE a degree AND you enlist for a couple of years and stay in or get an Honorable discharge. No ability to allow your parents to gain status or any other family member who has made themselves an illegal by choice. You get to the back of the line and wait, and wait and wait and wait until it's your turn. Age limit 25, if you've been here for ten years as an illegal, well, you knew full well what you were doing. Have to be brought here before 13, at any older age, you know it's illegal to come here without permission. . Fuency in English and successful passing of the citizenship exam, even before citizenship testing is applicable. And a permanent law that allows no more amnesty for people illegally in our country

It's not that we don't care or don't want good people, it's the door that opens when we keep letting people stay who broke our laws. Eliminate that and those brought as children might have a shot at gaining legal status.

Too harsh, blame someone else besides our country.

As I've seen you ban a bunch of people you don't agree with, well, ban me if you feel a need to. But, your complaining about how America hates immigrants doesn't hold water, we hate people who don't play fair, don't follow the law, who call us racist for no reason, who feel ENTITLED to be here because they were able to sneak in. Who DEMAND we give them rights and refuse to assimilate. In other word ILLEGAL immigrants.

Any Damage that the Republicans suffer was all done by themselves when they all open their big stupid mouths and made it sound like we were a bunch or criminals, even the way they said it. I know they're not Retards and knew that everything they were saying were lies. I wish I could kick their ass all over Capital Hill. F**k.

okay, Randy L, I agree with an amendment for no more granting path to citizenship for undocumented after we fix the broken system right now.
happy?

but the conditions you mentioned are way too hash. fine about no chain immigration, but our core families (parents) should be allowed, but no siblings.
okay?

Our parents are the ones the Republicans have all of the rage against, not us. Were you listening to them?

Your core family, as in your parents, started this mess. I know you love them, we all love our parents, but, rewarding them with legal status is offensive to most Americans. If my dad breaks the law should I get to reap benefits from it and then be able to get him out of trouble?

I said it was harsh, what I suggested, but,that's how people against illegal immigration think. I know because I'm against illegal immigration and I live 10 miles from Mexico. I see and hear it every day.

And I didn't mean fix the broken immigration system, I mean help the kids who were brought here as little ones ONLY.

Truth is, once the children are legalized, they cannot be treated as secondary citizens.
This is why we have a 10-years conditional non-immigrant status before the 3 years legal-path-to-citizenship

After the rhetoric I've heard regarding my stance against illegals, the names I've been called directly and indirectly, I kinda have an aversion to helping people who are here illegally.

However, I am not a rock and I have done some things to spread my viewpoint abouit kids brought here illegally, mainly persuading friends, peers and like minded people against illegal immmigration that some people aren't at fault for being in this situation.

Perhaps, instead of questioning why I'm posting here and assuming I have done nothing, you might ask a few more questions to ascertain my positions instead of an accusatory tone.

That's true and people feel it's too short. Mom and Dad still get a free ride. They feel it's not fair.

Randy, I am glad that you are not an ignorant. I came from Hong Kong. When I was a boy, we had a supreme court case on illegal immigrants. At the time I was only 6, 7. I don;t like illegal immigrants either. It's my city.

Nobody likes undocumented and criminals. We want to enforce laws and to ensure the safety of our neighborhoods. But the Capitol Hills are too busy playing with their games. The Democratic spent two years playing their bipartisan game, but Obama failed at doing it because the Republican are not happy with the agenda he went with: big government, small market.

What we need is to fix the system. Border security after border security. How many and how high should the fence be? Okay. If we just block the whole border, block all the smugger, we would still have thousands of undocumented here because they overstayed their visas.

The undocumented aliens are already part of this country, part of this economy. When we get paid, we go out and consume goods. There are districts with low enrollments and schools are closing down. Some districts, however, are overpopulated because of immigrants, for example, New York City. We are hiring more teachers and opening more schools. Immigrants are always a vital for certain part of this country.

Undocumented aliens are part of this economy. We have been paying their educations. They are using our services, although many of them do pay taxes every year (beside sale tax, of course). There is no way to remove every single undocumented aliens.

However, we can legalize most of them, but to put some conditions. The current dream act prevents mass chain immigration and other long-term immigration restrictions.

Once we can fix this broken system, we can focus on other top domestic threats.

Do you agree with me? We can't fix every thing. But we have to deal with it, soon or later.

You know, I have no clue what a person, through no fault of their own, feels like being here illegally.

I do know what it feels like to be unwanted, a social pariah, not being allowed to vote, considered scum and on and on.

I'm an ex-junkie, an ex-convict, a highschool drop out and, pretty much, I've been a true asshole and truly worthless. It took me 20+ years to overcome addiction, gain a BAS from U of A, start a family, get a decent job and, finally, give something back to my country. I still can't vote, as you, yet I kick and scream about all knids of things that have an impact on my life.

Yes, I know adversity and wish no ill on anyone. I just hate some of the things they do.

One thing I've learrned, compromise is a neccessity in life. I wish none of your parents came here illegally, but, since they did, and you are now paying for it, there has to be something acceptable to the people whose country this is...compromise. The demands put out over the past few years aren't good enough to the American population as a whole, my opinion doesn't matter, I can't vote. I have no choice in our elected officials. But, the people who can aren't ready to accept the conditions of your legal possibilities as they are being presented today.

While I have no sympathy for those who cross illegally, I do have some for those who were brought as kids.