What the Hell is going on with this Country? - Page 5

Alex, keep preaching.... =)

Alex I never said the Dream Act would not let you join the military I said you could not be an officer.

While non-citizens may enlist, they will find their job choices extremely limited. DOD policy prohibits granting security clearances to non-U.S. Citizens. Therefore, non-Citizens. who enlist in the United States military will be limited to those jobs which do not require a security clearance.

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/joini...enlcitizen.htm

I only brought this point up because I don't think it is fair that Senator Durbin is misleading you kids.

If Americans could trust the system, trust that there would be no violation of this bill, that actually it would really only apply to kids like most of you on this forum then their would be no problem. It is our mistrust that our government would not enforce the regulations on this bill any more than they have enforced our immigration laws. We have not forgotten that they promised in 1986 that their would be no more amnesty.

When our senators tell us your sad stories it only reminds us that if our laws had been enforced after 1986 we would not have to be facing this problem. We know that if the law was passed and Dreamers did not live up to their side but had say 2 kids then once again we would be back to the same problem of separating families, etc.

And Alex what you really don't understand about Dreamers lobbying for the Dream Act is that Americans consider you not as citizens, but as foreign nationals. To Americans when our elected representatives lobby with foreign nationals against the wishes of its electorate it is treason.

Alex if you and yours want to change things, want to someday be part of this country, then it is important for you to understand all sides of the argument. Learn, have open discussions not with politicans or activist leaders, but with the very people that oppose you. Take a good look around you at your community and see what you can do to bring both worlds together.

And Alex thank you for having an honest and open discussion with me.

I think you are absolutely misinformed!

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/joini...noncitizen.htm

What they meant by "non-U.S. Citizen" is for people who has "green card", which does not apply to any "dreamers".

However, I agree about your suggestion regarding understanding opposition side, which politicians often forget to do.....

To College Parent- I don't think your arguments regarding lobbying and foreign nationals make any sense. By the same logic no member of the government would be able to discuss any issue related to any topic with anyone "from" any other country. That is just silly. Although in some ways it could be convenient if we were that strictly isolationist - no wars, no out-sourcing, no trade, no imports, no exports, no international airlines, no tourism,no foreign oil, no shared medical knowledge, etc. etc. - you can see how this theory really doesn't make sense.

- Also, the 'treason' argument is particularly flawed - as the majority of the electorate actually SUPPORTS the DREAM Act, as did the MAJORITY of the Senate, the House, the Administration, the Military and even Homeland Security. Fortunately, as based on your theory, any 'unpopular" discussion is treasonous. Based on a pure popularity scale - it would be your opinions that are treasonous,not the other way around.

The 1986 amnesty point is interesting - however something that goes unrecognized is that there has been some sort of general assimilation and "amnesty" every few decades since the 1900's - before that there was no need, as everyone who could jump on a boat was accepted. The broader issue of amnesty and assimilation does not apply to this particular group however - as you can not be "forgiven" for a crime you did not commit, and they are already American.

As far as the college competition - I agree, as one college parent to another, yes - sometimes they can be a little snarky and arrogant about their abilities. However I think that is a pretty common affliction of the young in general - and I assume ones who are very smart and have extremely limited outlets are even more prone to over-confidence. Colleges are constantly accepting students on foreign study visas already- are you complaining about that ? Are you worried about all of the out-sourcing and foreign work visas ? Because those issues are going to give your child a much greater degree of job instability over their lifetime. Competition with young people they already grew up with, isn't going to impact them to a great degree. If you have aprox. 30 million americans out of work and you gradually add in another million job seekers over multiple years - you are not going to see a huge problem- there are over 300,000,000 people in the U.S. - these 1 million could have been absorbed into the workforce- and being younger could have greatly benefitted the social security system that is burdened by an aging work force.

Thank You Mrsmom

Honestly your whole argument sounded ignorant. Its funny how many colleges in the U.S support the Dream Act , wanna know why? because of all the empty seats! My friend , America is at a time where high skilled workers is greatly needed, and the Dreamers could be that. Do you realize that over our lives we would contribute 1.4 trillion dollars? look at the big picture!!

I don't know if that was sarcasm or not.

I have to apologize, maybe I sounded a bit harsh. I have respect for my elders.

I did come legally, most of us did come legally and got shut down by technicalities. The immigration judges with the same mentality as the the "kick the filthy Italians out" back in the days.

If Americans were able, they would ban legal immigration all together for 10 years. Because we all know that once you are in the door yourself, slam in to the one behind you. I myself chose not to look at paperwork too much; it can be falsified allot and doesn't say anything about a person. What someone does in the U.S. once they get here; it's whats most important.

As I mentioned in another thread, my sister in laws' mother came here a few months back (82 yrs old) legally. She just died on Saturday. Now you want that person who has absolutely nothing to contribute, or you want fresh blood to pay for your social security check?

but anyways, your side is easier to support; its human nature. If a bill came out tomorrow that banned legal immigration for 10 years, you'd all support it, because its "fill my belly good, then someone else can have some".

Majority or minority, it don't matter... the end result is the same.
Let us decide our future now and enjoy the holidays with your family.