Dreamers Cannot Wait Until 2012. We Must Fight Every Year Until This Bill Passes - Page 2

Dudes, we can legislate ourselves until the cows come home. Bottom line, is not the bill itself that needs to be changed but the form of activism we partake in. Faxes and calls aren't enough.

Good point. Regardless of the startegy you use, the point is to get a message of bipartisanship across.

I respectfully disagree when you state that the content of the bill does not need to be changed. It does. For the past monts, Dreamers protested--using strategies from sit-ins to calls. You might suggest that people could take more radical measures (such as handcuffing yourself to the door of a legislator's car) to get policymakers to support our dreams. But, legislators--regardless of the sacrifices that Dreamers make--will refuse to advocate a bill that consists of major flaws or does not tackle the concerns of opponents (one being border security). So, you can tatoo that words "DREAM Act" on the back of your head; legislators will not support the bill if it is TOO faulty.

I'm not saying go to extremes and paint the letter DA on your butt cheeks while you streak through the white house lawn. I'm saying we need to rework the we get our message across. Yeah, adding some sort border security clause which would be pointless but comforting to conservatives is key but there's already so much missinformation out there about the bill to begin with. I mean, there were tens of senators last Saturday who stood there and blatantly lied about the bill. Faxing and calling to beg for the DA just doesn't get the message across. It just becomes nagging. If we're going to bombard them with anything, it's going to be information rather than vague pleas.

No matter how many changes we make, the antis are still going to call it amnesty. Even if we write a bill making it extremely hard for people to qualify and meet the requirements, the antis would still call it amnesty.

Remember, Sessions said this bill would grant citizenship to all 12 million people. Obviously, he was lying or he didn't read the bill.

Any bill offering legal status will be called unfair and amnesty.

The bottom line is why make the bill a pain-in-the-ass for us, if in the end it will be called amnesty?

We need the original bill back. It was much more fair. That's all.

The both of you are correct. Some senators did lie about the bill. And no matter how hard policymakers try to consider diverse views, inflexible opponents will always find some excuse to oppose some form of legalization. Indeed, opposition will always exist on this divisive issue. But maybe, a genuine bipartisan bill that acknowledges the concerns of some "moderate" conservatives might help gain SUFFICIENT support for the DREAM, making it a reality. Call me optimistic, but that's my viewpoint. Overall, waiting until 2012 like some analysts suggest we do is futile and a blatant waste of time. Despite the odds/political analyses, we need to fight for this every year until it becomes a reality.

Before even mentioning anything relating to legalization, we should push congress to once and for all enact legislation to secure our borders. Because this is the number one excuse that Republicans are using to divert away from bringing us out of the shadows. Now many of us have this feeling that the border will never be secure just like every single bill is going to be an amnesty. We have no option but to cave in to the Republicans demands because clearly they are representing the stronger party. Obama has to pump more money into securing the border so he can make key republicans happy like Senator McCain. Only then he will support some sort of legalization.

Americans don't care about what education you have , their main issues are chain migration and border security,adding border security to the bill would wrk,the united states/Mexico border can be secured properly but illegal immigration cannot never be stopped, why cuz people over stay their visa also . any immigration reform is called amensty by the anti's. 245i was called an amensty which it was surely not 1.my point is making the bill harder for us makes nosense because their is no border security and their is chain migration after 13yrs ,the thing is if border security was added would it of passed still nope, it would of gotten republicans support but dems don't believe in securing that border and finishing that fence otherwise it would of been done long time ago. The first thing obama did when he became president was stop that fence. so their your conflict right there.... the bill do need some common sense into writing it which its lacking but like my friend up there said it how to getting the message across better.

No offense, but one of the things that the hard-line haters hate the very most is a college degree. Because, in their opinion, colleges are breeding grounds for intellectuals (they don't like intellectuals), and commies, and homosexuals, and scientists, and "elitists" and all sort of other things they do not like. So I am pretty sure that flaunting your level of education is not going to win you any friends. It will probably get you some lip service among the actual establishment - but the haters who are the ones who have them quaking in fear - will not be swayed.

You might even become one of those failed muslim convert terrorists with the hispanic names that somehow surfaced just prior to the vote.

The border security issue is problematic ( as I keep saying ) because we have been looking for Osama bin Laden for going on 10 years - how is that working out ? How much money have we thrown at that problem ? So if they are waiting for a 'secure' border - good luck. If they just want money for it, that might be a good negotiating point.

And the 'document fraud' argument - I think are the same ones who are convinced that President Obama is not a U.S. Citizen, and therefore, not President. I think that if the President can not convince them that he has the correct paperwork - you will be out of luck.

Just trying to point out that by "bipartisan" the antis mean "f#$ off and die"

Thank you everyone for your feedback. Someone mentioned the political division on border security between Democrats and Republicans. In this case, this is where Obama should show some leadership like he did on the Tax Cuts and Unemployment Benefits bill, negotiating with Republicans on legalization and border security. Waiting until 2012 is fruitless and reflects a defeatist attitude.