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Name me the last democratic president within thirty years that has made a valiant effort on immigration even in the second term of presidency. You and I both know that Obama won't do a thing. Seriously, twice he had an opportunity to at least put out a strong incentive for his fellow democrats to pass the DREAM act (a bill he embraced during the elections) in the Senate. He didn't even do that! The man stood idly looking on as the bill tanked. The bill had a serious chance and he didn't even push for it. Nancy Pelosi and even some republicans did more to promote the bill than he did. After that, DO YOU REALLY THINK HE WILL TAKE ON AN IMMIGRATION BILL ALL ON HIS OWN?

I'll be honest and say that although I'm conservative in nature, I wanted Obama to win for the simple fact that he made history and promised a different government. The truth is, he is a bad president. Regardless of your party line, that is evident. What has the man done other than pass a healthcare bill against america's will and an unpopular stimulus package? If he didn't care about popularity then, why does he care for popularity with immigration? If he really wanted to pass an immigration bill, don't you think he would have done it? It was serious enough for him to say it was a "first year priority". Where is that priority now? I don't care if the next president is republican or democrat, as long as it's not Obama. Republicans are greedy, stubborn, some racist, but they get things done when they are in power.

Why do you still have faith in that man? The only thing that I will embrace from Obama is his call for change. Change president.

I think you are jumping the gun too early my friend. In the last thirty years, how many democrat presidents have there been? Two, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. You can't really compare both sides since the majority of the time there has been a Republican President.

Like I stated before and I believe I showed evidence to back it up, presidents don't do much in their first term regarding an immigration reform. So, I can't speak about Obama, but I do predict he will do something about an immigration reform. So that just leads to the other democratic president in the last 30 years, Bill Clinton.

Bill Clinton did some good things and bad things. He passed the IIRIRA in 96, which I don't really like too much, but he also did some good things regarding immigration. He passed the Section 245(i) Amnesty in 1994 which gave amnesty to about 578,000 undocumented migrants and extended it 1997. He also did some humanitarian effort and allowed refugees from Nicaraguans and Haiti to come to the United States with the laws he passed called Nicaraguan Adjustment and Central American Relief Act (NACARA) in 1997, and Haitian Refugee Immigration Fairness Act Amnesty (HRIFA) in 1998.

You state that Obama didn't support the DREAM Act, but yet he did support it. He would of signed it if it had gotten to him. You blame him and the Democrats for it not passing, but yet, MOST of the Democrats voted for it, and VERY FEW Republicans voted for it. You need to blame Republicans for it not passing. Nancy Pelosi advertised it because she is from California and it is a heavily democratic state. She has to be for it to get reelected. Same went for the Republicans that were in favor for it, they needed it to get reelected.

After that, YES I DO BELIEVE HE WILL DO SOMETHING ABOUT IMMIGRATION REFORM. Do I think it will go far? No! There are way too many conservatives and blue-dog democrats in the House and the Senate that it won't pass.

I don't understand why you are stating he is a bad president. You want him to fix the mess in four years that a REPUBLICAN President caused in 8 years? That is kind of absurd in my opinion. He is in a really tough position because of all the things that are occurring.

In my opinion, you are just eating up with what the rest of the people are saying especially the conservatives (friends?) and like you stated, you are conservative. And conservatives like to only listen to conservatives.

And why do you have faith with the conservatives? What have conservatives done recently? Passed the unconstitutional law called SB 1070. Not only that, other conservatives want the same thing and want to change amendment 14. Sad to see that you're a conservative and don't realize that most conservatives don't like you.

Hopefully I say this carefully enough so you don't misunderstand me. Conservatives do what they feel might be good for the country. SB 1070 was unconstitutional, however, it represented the frustration of a conservative state that struggles with border security and sees the federal government do nothng about it. Did they go about it the wrong way? Yes, I believe they did, but there is nothing wrong with a state trying to send a message to the feds about enforcing the laws that they, under the constitution, should enforce. What would you do if your constituents held you accountable for illegal immigration issues. Like it or not, we are illegaly in the U.S. I can't blame a ICE for enforcing the law. I can complain about a messed up system, but if you wanna talk constitution, then you're breaking a law my friend and you have to live with it. You can't blame a state for trying to enforce laws. Like I said, Arizona went about it all wrong. They should of sent petitions to the feds for border and immigration enforcement, but SB 1070 is a poor way of doing that. If you can't see that, then it's you who fails to see any point other than your own. What would you do if you felt your countries sovereignty is being threatened? Would you enforce laws? That's not to say that you wouldn't do it in a more intelligent way, but I feel you would do the same. That's my conservative viewpoint. I can't take it personally if conservatives look to enforce laws, I would do the same thing in a different manner.

As for Obama doing something about immigration; you, yourself, said you don't think it would go far. So why would you want him there if you think he can only try to do something but not follow through? Yea congress gets in the way, but now with a republican controlled congress, don't you think it would make sense that a republican president might get more done instead of the same "block Obama" strategy republicans seem to love? Seriously, not only will Obama offer lip sevice, even if he tried something, he would get slammed back down his throat where those words came from! A republican president will have a slightly more open road. With push from latino voters, CIR will be more possible; simply because republicans would allow it.

As for my "conservativeness". I say I'm conservative because I tend to lean towards conservative view points. For example, I'm anti-abortion, same-sex marriage (let the judging begin), spending, etc. However, naturally because of my status, I have a few liberal tendencies. You might think I only see the conservative side of things, just like I think you only see the liberal side of things. One thing I will say, you will need both parties in order to pass immigration reform. DREAMERS an immigration activists only cater to democrats. They give no reason for republicans to support a bill. We have to understand that! While a republican sees school budget cuts, a democrat will advocate in-state tuition for illegals. Can you see the dilemma that may form? There needs to be some common ground, Somewhere between the SB 1070 and full blown amnesty. For example Utah, a highly conservative state, passed a great immigration bill. They had the perfect balance, Obama will not provide that. Whether a republican or a democrat comes along, it has to be someone that can provide the right balance. I feel a moderate conservative like Romney could do that better than Obama. Obama has created such an intense and contentious party line. No way he will get anything done.

The Republicans could have been apart of the DREAM Act, but decided to railroad the entire process in the Senate. In 2010, they could have gone to Hispanic voters and said 'Although we do not agree with you breaking our laws, we will not punish your children, who had no choice in coming here'. Instead, they took the 'Fuck you and fuck your talented kids too' stance.

Did you watch the DREAM Act debate at any point? Several of the Republican senators implied that the DREAM Act posed a threat to WHITE AMERICA (Dana Rohrabacher, Jeff Sessions). Sorry, but I hold no hope in them suddenly waking up from their own buffoonery/racist delusions when there just so happens to be a Republican president.

But, like I said, you're welcome to think that changing parties may be the way to go. Yes, this administration has been a major disappointment, in terms of immigration reform, but I'm not going to believe any Republican that comes out now claiming to suddenly have the immigrant community's best interest at heart.

The lack of support for Obama goes beyond the immigration issue - do you not watch the news? Read newspapers? The man is NOT A LEADER.

Lack of leadership, decisiveness, and more importantly, principle are the reasons liberal democrats and the progressive movement are abandoning Obama (when I say "abandon", I mean support for his policies).

-He caved on the Bush tax-cuts and by extending them until the next presidency, he gave the Republicans what they wanted; creating the possibility of the cuts becoming permanent the next time they are on the table.

-He caved on single-payer and instead passed "Insurer's Reform".
-He caved on NOT closing Guantanamo Bay.
-He gave in on Military trials for "suspected" terrorists.
-He caved in on immigration enforcement; misleading the public and organizations about the Secure Communities program.
-His administration cowardly backs away from its own shadow the moment any Republican objects to its ideas and policies. As the President of the United States it is his responsibility to the country to get things done; as the leader of the Democratic Party it is his responsibility to its voters to stand up for Democratic principles. Does he stand for anything or anyone other than himself? I believe all of the above are legitimate points of concern for voters and for Democratic supporters. A lot of people are jumping ship - I keep posting this, a lot of Hispanic votes will not go his way in two years. No one wants to be taken for a ride any more.

Hilary shoulda won on '08...

I coudn't agree with you more. The man is dead where he stands. No way he will pass any bill. You make a great point. I will take it even further and say that even if he had a change of heart and decided to trully push for bills, republicans wouldn't let him do a thing. He's a dog on a leash.

I did watch the DREAM act vote very closely. I feel you shouldn't be so selfish and racist yourself. The truth is that the least racist people out there at the moment are white people. Now before you go accusing me of treason, think about it. How many congressional WHITE caucauses are there. How many programs for WHITE advancement are there? Yes, there's the KKK and other nut job clubs out there, but there are also black panthers and La Raza. Every public program that the white community opens is to the general public. If they were to do a whites only activity, forget about it! You wouldn't hear the end of it! Minorities, all minorities, on the other hand have the privilege of making race specific programs. So, will a bill that grants residency, in-state tuition, financial aid and grants to minorities be a threat to white america? You bet it will! Despite the fact that I hate Dana Rohrabacher (my home rep.) the man is right! You gotta see the other side too man! If I was white and losing my med school spot to a hispanic because a program makes it so that hispanics have a higher entrance rate than me because I'm white (and there is a priority for hispanics and blacks) I'd be pretty threatened by a new law. Stop using that weak racist argument. It sucks and it only makes things worse for legislation when whites hear about it!

I have concluded that this guy is a troll. Please do not feed the troll anymore.