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Obama would be putting the citizens first with the Dream Act. It might not be instant, but in the long run the beneficiaries of the bill would contribute more for the US in many many ways.

Merely deporting all undocumented would cause a massive amount of money. There would be NO payout to the deportation only strategy. Whatever benefits that you would claim such as, Americans having jobs would only be short term, because of going genocidal on the immigrant consumer base, which I remind you buys all the same the product that you do and more importantly pays all the taxes you do(State, Federal, property tax...etc NAME IT!). Why would you deny a group of talented, hardworking, beneficial residents of America the right to stay here permanently that are at fault due to a mere legal bureaucratic technicality?
As I have said before you don't really Americans. Maybe you need to read this story from The Daily Beast:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-a...BN64Y9B8bhklXw


Never think mass deportations would ever happen if things get bad enough.
Also think of this, if most of the US armed forces come home and the US is no longer spending money on overseas wars, then that frees up billions of dollars.

In over 2 yrs Pres. Obama has managed to deport appox. 800,ooo illegal immigrants. Americans can become quite a insular people when push the wrong way. They will look for anything to blame for job loss. Illegal immigrants are the easiest target right now.
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Actually it is a typo. Yes, I have been here in the USA for almost 60 years considering I was born here. So I am a US citizen, ,speak very good English have a valid SS# and driver's license. Now can you say the same?
Why would you want to deport people that will pay your social security check gramps?
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Actually it is a typo. Yes, I have been here in the USA for almost 60 years considering I was born here. So I am a US citizen, ,speak very good English have a valid SS# and driver's license. Now can you say the same?
Give it a rest buddy!!! Here's an idea i'm young, intelligent, and full of desire to contribute to this country, can you say the same???

I"m tired of this mental of being better simply because you have a valid ss#..

By this logic were you better then Dr.Martin Luther King in the 60's because he was a color man and you are not???

Baloney!!! Give me a break..

Go listen to more conspiracy theories on coast to coast am with George noory..

Plus what is this English argument about!!!!! We speak English just like every other American because that's what we are...
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Let me help understand what the US President is suppose to do: Uphold US Laws and protect it's citizens. The Healthcare bill was important for the health of US citizens, in this illegal immigrants do not count. Pres. Obama had help stabilize the US economy. Many of you don't seem to get it in your heads that the POTUS has to cater to US citizens first and not people who are not in this country illegally. The push for CIR and DA is seen by most USC's as a Hispanic issue because of their ties to so many illegal Hispanic and mainly Mexican immigrants who seem to like bragging how they are going to take over this country. Well that isn't going to sit too well will most US citizens, who don't like the racial demographics changing add to it the high Hispanic birth rates along with anchor babies and you've got quite a volatile political mix.
Obama is walking as I have said before a tight-rope, he can't be seen catering too much the pro-CIA/DA crowd at the expense of US citizens. To many USC's they don't seem to care how much you say the DA would be good for the USA, because they are tired of illegal immigrants period.
As I have said before if it were a few hundred thousand illegal immigrants they wouldn't care if the DA passed, but 11 to 20 plus million? No way are they willing to give on that one. Not to mention that amenesty was voted for by Congress and signed by a very reluctant then Pres. Ronald Reagan. And now over 20 years later here we are again?

Mexico has not help matters by sticking it's nose in US immigration business and trying to dictate what it wants simply because it was to continue getting all of those billions of dollars in remittences sent there by so many illegal Mexicans working in the USA.

So get mad at Obama all you want, just remember it won't be any better under a Republican president either, it will be worst. Please stop acting like the US would never dare try to deport 11 million people, because stranger things have happened. If this economy gets worst you'll see what I talking about. The GOP and the Tea-Party are quite the snakes in the grass in this debate.
You'll find out soon enough, I'm afraid.

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As I have said before you don't really Americans. Maybe you need to read this story from The Daily Beast:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-a...BN64Y9B8bhklXw


Never think mass deportations would ever happen if things get bad enough.
Also think of this, if most of the US armed forces come home and the US is no longer spending money on overseas wars, then that frees up billions of dollars.

In over 2 yrs Pres. Obama has managed to deport appox. 800,ooo illegal immigrants. Americans can become quite a insular people when push the wrong way. They will look for anything to blame for job loss. Illegal immigrants are the easiest target right now.
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Actually it is a typo. Yes, I have been here in the USA for almost 60 years considering I was born here. So I am a US citizen, ,speak very good English have a valid SS# and driver's license. Now can you say the same?


Someone ban this clown, the rest of you just add him to your ignore list.
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Why would you want to deport people that will pay your social security check gramps?
I didn't say anything about me wanting you deported, but I do know which way the wind is blowing right now in the immigration debate. I personally think it's sad situation for you and don't have problem with the DA provided that it has a end date, so more illegal immigrants can't use it for their foreign born kids. No modern country can subtain that kind of influx of immigrants and not lose itself.
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Current state of the immigration debate doesn't help anybody. A workable compromise needs to be reached.

Mass deporting would be akin to cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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Give it a rest buddy!!! Here's an idea i'm young, intelligent, and full of desire to contribute to this country, can you say the same???

I"m tired of this mental of being better simply because you have a valid ss#..

By this logic were you better then Dr.Martin Luther King in the 60's because he was a color man and you are not???

Baloney!!! Give me a break..

Go listen to more conspiracy theories on coast to coast am with George noory..

Plus what is this English argument about!!!!! We speak English just like every other American because that's what we are...
I think the word you looking about Dr. King is colored man. Any by the way I'm not white and I'm not a man.

I wanted to point out how many of you on this board have played the "I'm Superior Game" yourselves, how you are so much better then USC's. Well you in my opinion you no better or worst than any USC's or human being for that point. But what does separate you from a natural born USC is that they will have a SS# and can get legal ID or Driver's license, they cannot ever be deported. A naturalized USC can lose it all if they commit certain crimes and that is just a fact.

What I disliked about what some you say about the USA is that you have the nerve to angry at it for not passing CIR or the DA. The USA didn't put you in this position, your relatives did. And Americans white and black feel that way. But some are willing to give you the benefit of the doubt as am I. But some of your negative and downright nasty comments are irritating to say the lest. Some of you truely don't need to be here. Let's face it you are here for economic reasons, which is not allowed under US immigration law. And while enonomics isn't such a bad reason to me, it just simply isn't allowed under existing US law.

The USA is one of main countries in the world in which most people would like to immigrate to for a better life, but there are only so many slices of any pie in any country. In this one the top 2% seem to control everything, but then again hasn't that always been the way of the world?

I have always wondered how many of you would want the Dream Act if say you had to serve 4 yrs in any branch of the armed services, even if you did 2 yrs. of college?
Would you still want it as much? For some of you who want to serve you have my respect, because being willing to put your life on the line is indeed worthy to me of citizenship.
Sometimes you have to be willing to die for a cause, I saw this doing the 1960's Black Civil Rights Movement. Those protesters face odds greater than yours that somethings ended in death. They rightfully earned their high station in history, for it truely did change the face the of this country for the better.
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Interesting, you know absolutely NOTHING about Dreamers and the circumstances that led to them being in their present situation, for your information, my parents are US Citizens that vote, pay their taxes and care about this country just like you. This immigration system is broken and several people fall through the cracks each day even though they tried to do things the right way.

Maybe if you took the time since you're already here to really read our stories and understand our struggles instead of attempting (and failing) to demean us and break our spirits, you might actually make a positive difference in people's lives.
I have read many of your stories in fact. But the fact that your parents are US citizens doesn't make you one, which is sad in and of itself. I have read how many sometimes filed papers late or US Immigration screws up with paperwork and you just age out. I do agree with you these laws have to change as well as some of the laws that have caused families to separate,. It is very unfair.
But I also feel as American citizens my country has to right to hold the line against illegal immigration to a degree and if that means some deportations so be it. But all 11 million can't just be given a free pass again and no matter what you or LULAC, LaRaza or any of the pro-illegal immigration advocate say that is what it is.

For record I do think DA stands a better chance of passing in maybe the next 2 to 3 years depending on Congress's make-up. But CIR? No. Too much of a 3rd rail issue and the only major group pushing it is Hispanics, although many Black representatives will vote for it much to dismay of their black voters who do not want it.

I happen to like Pres. Obama on many issues, but not on CIR. I voted for him, but I may not again. I don't even like the GOP or the Tea-Party, most of them seem pretty off the charts to me and are too willing to finish turning everything in favor of the rich. But isn't that way it is in most countries? Rich get the gravy and the middle-class and poor get the crumbs. If it weren't for those reasons no doubt all of you and your families would have stayed in their home countries and none of you would be in this position.

I find it interesting that many of you would think that I hate all illegal immigrants, I don't. Gee, I have many living on my street and trust me I know their not in this country legally. Yet I choose to be civil to whom so ever is civil to me. They don't bother me and I don't bother them.
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I have read ... don't bother them.
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So what is your point? You keep giving us the runaround about the same old same old. Tell us something new! I agree with you about being reasonable about CIR but it seems that you just like to rant? Don't you have a support group like numbers USA or ALIPAC or something to rant to? Nahh.. you're probably not that extreme. I feel your frustration and I think you feel ours too.

We're not putting down citizens but it feels that way when the immigration system is so puzzling! The "damn illegals are taking our jobs" or "damn black people sit at home smoking weed, eating watermelons and collecting welfare" Is the dreamers [some] "Damn citizens have it easy with no college degree that I have yet they throw it all away!" "Those fools don't deserve it when they just wanna pass their lives on the minimum when I have had it so hard!"

The immigration system is without a doubt flawed, and we, citizens and the non citizens feel that it needs to change. I agree that people that can't speak the language efficiently shouldn't become a part of American society and since this country is highly coveted, the people that have the most to offer should be given a chance. There is no "skipping line", DA would kick in after about a decade of hoops and hurdles, it's not automatic.

Anyway, thanks for your concern, the venting and at least you look at both sides of the issues and that's good
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Your post makes no sense and is full of contradictions, it's laughable!
You are entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine. Really could care less what you think. Just remember what you are crying about I already have and it's people like me who have signed petitions that have kept some Dreamers from being deported. You need my support, not the other way around, buddy!
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