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Pulitzer Award Winning journalist Jose Antonio Vargas comes out as a DREAMer - Page 6

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#51
06-23-2011, 03:47 AM
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And on a side note, I wish we had a better example of a Dream Act kid. Not just someone who's talented and brilliant, but also someone honorable and has integrity.
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06-23-2011, 11:12 AM
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No, fuck you and go burn in hell, you're the piece of shit. I was merely saying that when it comes to living life the honest way without hurting people, lying, or cheating, I get a shit life.

But Jose, a smart guy, fakes documents and lives life dishonestly, he achieves great things. He comes out with it, and it's completely okay.

I guess they should take out the 'moral character' part of the Dream Act then. Let's all start falsifying documents and using fake SSNs and see if people will celebrate us. On the contrary, they'll call us criminals and no one will give two shits about you and me, and we'd probably be deported promptly. Why is Jose any different?

Journalism is about integrity, not just story-telling and lying to people. I think his story is great for our cause because it makes the Dream Act more famous, but then again, I think it's negative publicity and goes against the whole idea of Dream Act kids having good moral character.

And who said anything about turning my back on Dreamers? Go read my post again stupid shit. I never said that.
They might be a little lenient on him. He didn't get caught but he admitted his guilt and advocated for the Dream Act.
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No, fuck you and go burn in hell, you're the piece of shit. I was merely saying that when it comes to living life the honest way without hurting people, lying, or cheating, I get a shit life.

But Jose, a smart guy, fakes documents and lives life dishonestly, he achieves great things. He comes out with it, and it's completely okay.

I guess they should take out the 'moral character' part of the Dream Act then. Let's all start falsifying documents and using fake SSNs and see if people will celebrate us. On the contrary, they'll call us criminals and no one will give two shits about you and me, and we'd probably be deported promptly. Why is Jose any different?

Journalism is about integrity, not just story-telling and lying to people. I think his story is great for our cause because it makes the Dream Act more famous, but then again, I think it's negative publicity and goes against the whole idea of Dream Act kids having good moral character.

And who said anything about turning my back on Dreamers? Go read my post again stupid shit. I never said that.

Had he not done what he did, we'd just have another frustrated chump on these boards rather than a pulitzer prized winning spokesperson. Sure what he did is ''wrong'' but then again what other option is left for us in this country if we want to move up? That's why many are thinking of leaving the shithole; we don't want to compromise our ''pride'' to get ahead in life. Hell i could bust out photoshop and make quite a few legit pieces of paper; and probably make 80k a year now in my field....but fuck that.
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Had he not done what he did, we'd just have another frustrated chump on these boards rather than a pulitzer prized winning spokesperson. Sure what he did is ''wrong'' but then again what other option is left for us in this country if we want to move up? That's why many are thinking of leaving the shithole; we don't want to compromise our ''pride'' to get ahead in life.
Exactly. As far as I can see this guy is a ringer for us. We're all considered "criminals" either way. Where's the moral integrity in a system that deports minors for a "crime" they didn't consciously commit?

The man paid his taxes and never hurt anyone. He did what he had to do to try to live a normal life and ended up excelling. And now he's showing his moral character by risking EVERYTHING he struggled hard for and shedding light on our cause.
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he's showing his moral character by risking EVERYTHING he struggled hard for and shedding light on our cause.
Precisely, alright let's be lawyers when all the smoke is clear...lol
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Exactly. As far as I can see this guy is a ringer for us. We're all considered "criminals" either way. Where's the moral integrity in a system that deports minors for a "crime" they didn't consciously commit?

The man paid his taxes and never hurt anyone. He did what he had to do to try to live a normal life and ended up excelling. And now he's showing his moral character by risking EVERYTHING he struggled hard for and shedding light on our cause.
I agree.
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He managed to get all of that with fake documentations and not get caught? Thats fucken awesome..
Given our situation, he had to do what he had to do. I am behind him 100%.
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Wow. I want to go into the same career as him. I'd have to admit though... I'm extremely envious and mad that he got to do all the things I KNOW I can do if I had legal papers... All he had to do was cheat and lie.

Sorry, but I hope he gets deported. I know, wrong and evil of me to say so but damn... Where's the good moral character in faking documents? I won't even get married to a dude solely for a green card or use a fake SSN, and I live a pretty shitty life right now.
Wow . . . How can you wish deportation on a fellow dreamer?
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06-24-2011, 02:29 AM
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Wow . . . How can you wish deportation on a fellow dreamer?
Because I envy him... Yes, I'm messed up, I admit it. I just hate how some people can profit greatly from lying and cheating while I'm stuck in a craphole with my integrity and refusal to cheat and lie.
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Because I envy him... Yes, I'm messed up, I admit it. I just hate how some people can profit greatly from lying and cheating while I'm stuck in a craphole with my integrity and refusal to cheat and lie.
Ok... I understand were you are coming from disliking what they guy did, but whereas he lied and tricked the system, he did not use the deceit to get hand outs or assistance, he genuinely had a talent and its his talent that was rewarded. He worked very hard and it got him a pulitzer prize, another piece he wrote was made into a movie. Lets face it, the guy has genuine talent and he worked very hard to not only excel but do so without raising suspicion around him and navigating a system without anyone else setting any kind of precedent for him to follow.

I don't think it was a very easy path for him to follow. Put yourself in his shoes, you are supposed to go to the white house to cover something, you are certain they are going to check your background very closely and you know you are undocumented, yet you can't really say no to that assignment because who in their right mind would say no unless they were hiding something. To blend in he probably had to do that assignment, while he tried to avoid immigration topics he had to cover the topics. And making decisions like that knowing that because you got a prestigious award you could get more media attention if it was discovered that you were undocumented.

In my mind he was exhausting all the paths he could have taken, it was a matter of time before someone would find out his status because of an assignment he could not actually accept or any other reason and this was just the most beneficial decision he could take that would allow him to tell his story first and define the direction the story would take rather than have someone else, with their bias and lack of understanding of the immigration system and what it means to be undocumented to define the direction of the story. It can't be easy to do what he did.
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