Historic Debt Deal Reached (Immigration issue should be handled in the same way). - Page 4
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Originally Posted by dexterchach
democrats had control of Congress in 2010. just give it up. this forum has turned into a source of venting. it is no longer a forum for progress.
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Originally Posted by dado123
when is it goin to be our turn, when are the legislators going to concentrate on CIR/Dream in this same way to get something done, fuck !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The answer to that question is when they deport as many as possible. Legislators want to deport or force us to self deport as many people as possible before granting some type of legalization. By doing this they legalize the least amount of people.
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Originally Posted by 2Face
Answer to first question...I will celebrate like crazy for the Dreamers who are still in the United States. Unfortunately I have a feeling many many of them will be out of the country by then because frankly I don't see a Democratic majority in both chambers for years. Second question..Leaving this country would eliminate all my pain like magic. Nothing ever can be worse than what I'm going through right now. Not saying I'm the only one here, we are all in the same situation. Even if DA passes there's a very good chance I'm leaving because I can't live without my parents. I don't see CIR passing any time soon. There is way too much hatred towards immigrants especially those from latin american countries like Mexico.
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You'd think that people would be more receptive to adding an educated and young group of people to the society that can contribute taxes and create jobs for an economy that actually NEEDS the help, instead we are looked at with contempt and hatred, it's unfortunate.
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Originally Posted by dado123
when is it goin to be our turn, when are the legislators going to concentrate on CIR/Dream in this same way to get something done, fuck !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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But, no super congress on immigration/the DA and no simple majorities on immigration policies. This country can be so screwed up.
Now that Congress has agreed on a general framework to raise the debt ceiling, party leaders will establish a bipartisan committee of lawmakers from both chambers to hash out the finer details.
Under the new law, the federal government will cap spending levels by about $1 trillion over a ten-year period and delegate the responsibility of slashing another $1-$2 trillion to a powerful 12-member committee.
No, it's not the Gang of Six (times two). This time it's called the "Super Congress."
The committee of six Republicans and six Democrats, which will do most of its work behind closed doors, will have until Nov. 23 to develop a plan to reduce the budget deficit that must pass through both Houses of Congress before Christmas.
Once they come up with a plan that seven members agree to, it will go to both chambers and can pass with just a simple majority. No filibustering, and no amending allowed.
If, however, they fail to find agreement, there's a back-up plan: Under the new law, Congress has set a series of "triggers," which will automatically reduce spending levels across the board if the group cannot get the job done. If the negotiations fall through, billions in cuts to both discretionary spending and the defense budget will automatically kick in, giving neither party a say about the details.
The negotiations, of course, are not expected to be easy. Democrats are demanding that tax increases be included in the committee's plan, a proposal Republicans still refuse to consider.
"Everything is on the table for that committee," said White House Press Secretary Jay Carney. "Entitlement reform and tax reform. And let's be clear, the president thinks that the biggest possible overall accomplishment, in terms of deficit reduction, is a desirable goal, as long as it's balanced."
For conservative Republicans and liberal Democrats alike, there remains much skepticism about the group's ability to find a sound solution.
On the right, the worry remains that Democrats will successfully convince one Republican to join them in raising taxes.
"The framework of 'triggers' and a new 12-member House-Senate committee opens the door to dangerous national security cuts and raises the possibility that six Democrats and one misguided Republican could rush tax increases to the House and Senate floors," said Ohio Republican Rep. Jim Jordan, chairman of the conservative Republican Study Committee.
The left has similar concerns, as they brace for even more cuts to programs that aid the poor without raising taxes on the wealthy.
And who will sit on this all-powerful committee? The details of the Super Congress' membership are still pending. Since this small group will likely determine the details of federal government's budget for the next ten years, each opening will no doubt become a coveted post on Capitol Hill.
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The answer to that question is when they deport as many as possible. Legislators want to deport or force us to self deport as many people as possible before granting some type of legalization. By doing this they legalize the least amount of people.
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The debt ceiling will be increased and the country will stay away from defaulting on its commitments. It was a long and tense fight. Many budget issues are still to be resolved. Allegedly, neither party is content with the agreement. The country can acquire more installment loans still though. As Democratic-led Senate is expected to pass the debt ceiling deal. But tougher opposition may come from the House. Liberals opposed it out of fear that social programs would be cut. Conservatives waned even more cuts in the debt deal reached.
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