Facial recognition to scan your status? - Page 2

The numbers on an SSN card that says "not valid for work" are legit so when they check them I am sure they will just look to see if your name matches them in the database, so using your SSN should not be a problem. The problem is taking the actual card with you as part of the four B-List documents they ask for. Someone actually has to see them in person and decide whether or not to give you trouble over the "not valid for work" thing, that depends on the employee you get and your luck. And as I see it, it does seem like a risk. In my particular case I have five B-List documents to choose from:

1. High School Trascripts
2. Selective Services Card
3. Yearbook with Photo
4. SSN card with "not valid for work"
5. Mexican Matricula Consular

Both my High School transcript and my Selective Services Card have my SSN on them, so I could just use them to provide the DMV with my SSN and use the Matricula instead of the SSN card. That would solve them not having to look at the "not valid for work" part. But a new problem arises here, my Matricula has two last names and my CA stuff only has one last name. That is why I am having a hard time deciding whether or not to use my SSN card with "not valid for work" or my Matricula which has two last names on it. Which one would give me more trouble?

I think the Matricula would give me more trouble than the actuall SSN card becuase not only is it automatic grounds to suspect illegal status, but I would also have to deal with having to explain my whole two last names thing. The SSN card with "not valid for work" only raises the status question, but it matches the rest of my documents so I think it is the safer choice. Either way they will suspect me of illegal status regardless of which I use, but I don't think they have the authority to report you to ICE, and they know that a lot of undocumented people apply for a DL there anyways and they don't seem to give them too much of a hassel. For now I am thinking of just showing them my "not valid for work" SSN card, if the employee I get stuck with starts asking questions I can tell them things like "I'm a student" or "I'm not applying for work" both of which will technically be true at the time.

What do you guys think of my plan so far? Any advice or suggestion would be greatly appreciated. In the end however we won't really know until one of us tries it. I will post my progress here or maybe start a new thread detailing my attempt at getting a WA DL, depending on which you guys might find more useful. For now I am looking at a mid-february departure date.

So, REAL ID would be required to enter a federal building ex:court? So what happens when you get a traffic ticket and you want to dispute it, or you are required to go to court for any other reason,i dont know testimony to a jury for a crime you witnessed.....

I personally called the WA DMV and the customer service rep asked me straight out whether i was a U.S. citizen or not, and i told him no. I also mentioned that i do have an SS but he said to bring proof of residence still. I was actually quite shocked when they asked me for my status, i thought they weren't allowed to do that. So technically, even if they know you are illegal, they will allow you to apply for a DL in WA, considering you have solid residential proof that you are from WA.

Asking whether you are a US citizen is not the same as asking for your status. In fact it is not even close. There are about 30 different legal immigrant groups, with PRs, conditional PRs, and like 20 different visas.

I have actually dealt with certain forms and documents where, if you were not a US citizen, the passport from your native country was the only allowed form of ID. It did not matter whether you had a DL , or had the actual green card with you; your passport was the only thing that could be used (because it tells them that BG checks have to go deeper than the ones for US citizens)

Thanks for the info, when I show up there to try this I will now be sure to bring proof of WA residence anyways even though I have an SSN. Maybe something like a phone bill or electricity or something will do.

Thanks for the information. How have you dealt with them? Where do you work?

Those would be the only exceptions, really. But imagine trying to visit your congressman or senator. Or the president, etc. That'd become impossible.