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12-13-2011, 01:00 AM
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There are many factors that would have to be involved,I think.It depends on "What ?" aspect the State or Locality in question has agreed to implement with regards to Immigration procedure AND most importantly "How ?" will the officer locally enforce such actions on encountered non-citizens dependent on the situation.I wouldn't suggest going strictly by definitions as it would never suffice for the recent past and present statistics concerning removals.Most in-depth removal statistics suggest the majority of the undocumented don't meet the criteria of "Criminal alien" !!

What compounds the issue also is DHS is trying to ensure that all States are compliant with regards to S-comm. by 2013.I think of it like this,States and Localities get extra money from the Federal Government for the immigration "witch hunt"(and the more people the more money) plus it makes local politicians look good to the "They took 'er jobs" crowd by saying it is also an "economic stimulus".

Most undocumented are found out when local police try to simply find out who they are by forwarding their picture,information and prints to NCIC (If Detained) where all the major agencies are connected to until there is a match of who the person is.I'm assuming that once the details are clear there is a "No match" then the local jurisdiction would assume the person is a non-citizen and ICE or CBP is contacted to confirm such,once that happens it's basically over !
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Most undocumented are found out when local police try to simply find out who they are by forwarding their picture,information and prints to NCIC (If Detained) where all the major agencies are connected to until there is a match of who the person is.I'm assuming that once the details are clear there is a "No match" then the local jurisdiction would assume the person is a non-citizen and ICE or CBP is contacted to confirm such,once that happens it's basically over !
That's interesting. I'd assumed it worked once there's a match in the system between the FBI and ICE, not when there's a "no match." But it brings up an interesting point if it is a "no match" system: how do you separate U.S. citizens from non-citizens who entered a long time ago or without inspection and haven't ever been caught? That is, without checking them in Social Security, which I assume would take a while since they'd probably need a warrant.
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Which states have stringy local enforcers?
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There are many factors that would have to be involved,I think.It depends on "What ?" aspect the State or Locality in question has agreed to implement with regards to Immigration procedure AND most importantly "How ?" will the officer locally enforce such actions on encountered non-citizens dependent on the situation.I wouldn't suggest going strictly by definitions as it would never suffice for the recent past and present statistics concerning removals.Most in-depth removal statistics suggest the majority of the undocumented don't meet the criteria of "Criminal alien" !!

What compounds the issue also is DHS is trying to ensure that all States are compliant with regards to S-comm. by 2013.I think of it like this,States and Localities get extra money from the Federal Government for the immigration "witch hunt"(and the more people the more money) plus it makes local politicians look good to the "They took 'er jobs" crowd by saying it is also an "economic stimulus".

Most undocumented are found out when local police try to simply find out who they are by forwarding their picture,information and prints to NCIC (If Detained) where all the major agencies are connected to until there is a match of who the person is.I'm assuming that once the details are clear there is a "No match" then the local jurisdiction would assume the person is a non-citizen and ICE or CBP is contacted to confirm such,once that happens it's basically over !
But that is the precisely the problem and the reason why Cook County was able to get out of its "voluntary" (which ended up being forced after they wanted out) involvement in the S-Comm program. ICE was simply looking at the names of people in the city jails, seeing if their names where foreign sounding and placing a hold on them, the jails where supposed to hold the immigrants until ICE came to pick them up, it could be days, weeks or in some cases months, meanwhile, the tax payers of the municipality where the jail was located would be paying the cost of housing those individuals placed on hold of ICE.

The reason was not even a background check turning up anything, in fact a very large portion of those being deported under S-Comm have absolutely no criminal record what-so-ever, and there are many stories of individuals with no criminal record who where picked up in a road block or a traffic stop, truly minor, non-criminal non-misdemeanor reasons spending months in jail waiting for ICE to pick them up.

Regardless of there being sanctuary cities or not, never state that you are undocumented under any circumstances, if you are pulled over or they ask you questions the only response that you should give is your name (mostly because you want to be able to be found in the system), but you do not have to give a response to any other question, most certainly not any question asking about your status or the reason for whatever status you may be in.
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.I think of it like this,States and Localities get extra money from the Federal Government for the immigration "witch hunt"(and the more people the more money) plus it makes local politicians look good to the "They took 'er jobs" crowd by saying it is also an "economic stimulus".
They get Federal money? From where? I've read about SCAAP, but that only applies to "criminal aliens" as well. So basically we're saying that there is no check in place to verify whether this stuff is happening according to the plan? Or the
Feds in charge of SCAAP or any other grant program just don't care, or are taking advantage of it?
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