Here's what I think about the ARMS Act - Page 2

Why do 100% of us have to get legalized at the same time?

If you're so confident that college part will pass in the next five years, go ahead and push for college part but why do you have to shoot down military part while you're at it? (I'm college educated btw if it makes any diff.).

So you would rather have nothing as always or at least have 1 option?

I love your analogy. It was very clever, and point well taken.

First, only if we are willing put ourselves in harms way are we worthy of legalization? That's some B.S. There are ways to contribute to society, that does not involve us risking our lives.

Second, the nerve of them to have candidates wait years upon years before gaining true legal status - as they continue to put their lives on the line day after day. What does that say about how much they value our contributions?

I respect people in the military; don't always support what they're fighting for, but regardless, they put their lives on the line and that's pretty courageous. And they are there to defend a true cause, when it does come along. If this is a career that appeals to you, as a dreamer, I respect your decision.

I oppose this Act, because it's not enough, as currently written. It devalues our worth and is not respectful of potential beneficiaries (the wait time as a conditional resident is way too long!).

If it passes, i'll definitely be happy for those that take advantage of the possibility, if they find it a suitable alternative to their current state of affairs. However, until that happens, this act is barely enough.

whoever expects 100% or even 90% of dreamers to be legalized at the time time are living in a fuckin fantasy.

The ARMS Act, as it stands, is unfair.

I don't think there's too much debate on this. It includes a select number of DREAMers who number in the thousands and allows them to adjust status after five years and become citizens after eight. The biggest issue I have with it is how it excludes college students and graduates from the equation as if they can't contribute to this country.

So what do we do about it?

Two options:
1. We can reject this out of hand. Better to legalize a ton of people rather than just a few thousand, right? And plus, better not to give Republicans a reason to think they've done enough, no?

2. Have the balls to approach Republicans to amend this.
Note: for whatever reason, they won't accept giving college students green cards. Annoying, no? But why do we insist that Democrats not do their jobs and refuse to compromise? Even kind-hearted Republicans aren't going to give us green cards, not necessarily because we're criminals or because they're racist, but because they don't want to give people a handout. (DREAM isn't, but don't bother me with arguments--they won't believe you.)

That view hasn't changed in the past three years and if we keep rejecting compromise, we'll keep aging out. Ask Republicans for a conditional nonimmigrant status option. 5 years. Ask them to allow students to work and study in those years. When that's about to expire, have those who can find an existing route to a green card apply for one. We're activists, not politicians. But we have to let Democrats do their jobs.

If Republicans refuse, you have a story to tell the community. They're playing political games and have no intent to help anyone. You run ads humiliating them for trying to divide us. But you can't reject this out of hand without even giving it a shot.

My point is that, we need to have a bill that make most sense and have the most chance on passing. CIR make most sense, but doesn't have a chance. AA have the most chance, but doesn't a large number of us.

For example, if AA have 80% of passing, but only cover 5% of us and DA have 50% of passing, but cover 80% of, we should all be united and push for DA.

Scenerario
DA beneficiaries = 100
DA College = 50%
DA Military = 50%
Military Exam Passing Rate: 75%
50 x .75 = 37.5 ~ 38
Drop out rate at boot camp: 40%
38 - (38 x .40) = 22.8 ~ 23
23 out of 100 will get it.

We are trying to have a honest discussion, no name calling please!

I don't know the exact percentage, I'm just using them as an example, so my point is easier to understand

how was that name calling? : \ because i said some people live in a fuckin fantasy with ponys and rainbows? well some of yous need to wake the fuck up and accept reality.

I agree that we should all be united and push for DA (college part). but...

sounds just selfish. Why do you have to oppose it just because you're not in it?

He basically answered this question on his original post.