Are you an EWI or Overstay? - Page 4
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| I am an EWI |
   
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18 | 32.73% |
| I am an overstay |
  
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37 | 67.27% |
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Originally Posted by Kevin1is7lucky
Okay so from this I get you haven't read my response. And I agree with you neither of the groups is better off, in fact to prove if anyone is better off than someone else you would have to take it on a case by case basis. But our individual struggle is entirely the same. That has always been my view. And like I said before I wasn't trying to take anything from overstayers, and my observation wasn't of overstayers as a whole, but merely a very specific case. And to make it absolutely clear I no longer hold that opinion of that fraction of overstayers.
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| And to add a personal touch I do not want to be married, geez I'm only 19. So I don't think you have that over me. To me getting married JUST to get citizenship is cheating the system. I'm not about cheating, or taking advantage of anything. And if you have an analytical mind it will be a self- evident truth when you take into account my original post. |
Btw, I totally agree that getting married just to correct your status is shady & the very thought of it does rub me the wrong way & turn me off completely. Strangely enough, apparently this reluctance to get married just 2 improve ones status is upsetting to some DREAMers which is pretty hard 4 me to understand.
Somehow they think it's a piece of cake & a silly excuse not to dive right in to improve our situation, so they belittle & criticize us for not wanting to go that route. I don't agree w/ that assertion at all, but every1s entitled to their opinion & the grass is always greener on the other side so go figure.
That said, I must confess that I'm so fed^ with this situation that I've reached the point where I'd grudgingly but readily do just that to get my life moving again & to get this torment over with.
I'm just a bit lost as to how to go about finding some1 2 marry just for that reason alone, because even though I'm not as young as you are, I'm also faaaarrr from ready to get married for real. As such, no1 can fault me for not wanting to get married, even if it'd "fix" my situation, whether it's because they think I'm old enough that I should just get married anyway, or because of some other line of reasoning.
If that's what they think I should do well that's good for them, I'll just agree to disagree & move on. And I know some of the members here think that way because I've seen them post exactly that so you know who you are.
Therein lies my aversion to the whole idea of marriage for papers. How sad things are when some of us DREAMers are pushing the same shameless action of "fake" marriage for papers as our parents are who got us in2 this situation. What complex & unappealing choices we have to improve our situation don't ya think?
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I like the way the stats are working out. It seems that the ratio is 1:2 which is very interesting. People who complained about the repost. I understand their point, but I think that like someone said, we need up to date data. 
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Originally Posted by Aspire705
No I read your entire post & it was good too, so kudos there. It's just that for me to respond to it the way I want to would take an equally long post as yours & more time & effort than I want to give right now. So I figured I could get right to the heart of whether we agree or disagree by posting my shortened reply & getting your answer to it, then addressing the rest later. It's mostly laziness on my part I guess, tho I like to think of it as being efficient. :^)
I'm not sure what you mean by some of this ^. What do you mean by I don't have "that" (marriage?) over you? Btw, I totally agree that getting married just to correct your status is shady & the very thought of it does rub me the wrong way & turn me off completely. Strangely enough, apparently this reluctance to get married just 2 improve ones status is upsetting to some DREAMers which is pretty hard 4 me to understand. Somehow they think it's a piece of cake & a silly excuse not to dive right in to improve our situation, so they belittle & criticize us for not wanting to go that route. I don't agree w/ that assertion at all, but every1s entitled to their opinion & the grass is always greener on the other side so go figure. That said, I must confess that I'm so fed^ with this situation that I've reached the point where I'd grudgingly but readily do just that to get my life moving again & to get this torment over with. I'm just a bit lost as to how to go about finding some1 2 marry just for that reason alone, because even though I'm not as young as you are, I'm also faaaarrr from ready to get married for real. As such, no1 can fault me for not wanting to get married, even if it'd "fix" my situation, whether it's because they think I'm old enough that I should just get married anyway, or because of some other line of reasoning. If that's what they think I should do well that's good for them, I'll just agree to disagree & move on. And I know some of the members here think that way because I've seen them post exactly that so you know who you are. Therein lies my aversion to the whole idea of marriage for papers. How sad things are when some of us DREAMers are pushing the same shameless action of "fake" marriage for papers as our parents are who got us in2 this situation. What complex & unappealing choices we have to improve our situation don't ya think? |
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Originally Posted by Kevin1is7lucky
You completely disregarded the parts of my response where I demonstrated that my opinion had changed... Doesn't that make you ignorant? The reason I even had that opinion was because I thought of them as being adults during the time of their unlawful presence, disqualifying them for the DREAM act. Again keyword there is HAD. The whole point of the DREAM act is to help those who were kids when they were brought here illegally. I felt that if they were adults when they became undocumented then they weren't exactly brought here illegally. Do you understand that? And again let me make the point that I no longer hold that sentiment for reason I have already entailed in my previous response. And never did I mention I was better than overstayers, or even compare them in my original post. All I did was state an opinion/observation so that it may be discussed.
Now I ask you to stop harassing me. I'm not trying to take anything away from anyone, nor do I have the power to do any such thing. I will again make the point that I DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST OVERSTAYERS. I never separated myself from the overstayers YOU did that with your rhetoric. Now with that said, I do not personally care what you think of my opinion in future debates or threads, but do not portray me in such falsehood to others. |
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Originally Posted by iDream
well you know dude, from the first comment you left on this thread, i got really offended because i thought we were all fighting for the same thing. I do apologize for saying things i shouldn't have said. It was just my frustration with everything that made respond to you in that manner. again i apologize bro.
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