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New version of DREAM Act proposed for illegal immigrants - Page 2

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06-03-2012, 10:42 AM
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I find it a bit ironic at the end of the video when Rubio says "I get older every day." and the lady replies "don't we all."
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Thank you for the link.

He's still discussing the bill and that is a good thing. But, he used the phrase "older teenagers" and specifically said 12 and 8. That concerns me...
Is a 15 yr old considered an "older teenager"? He did say that they would have had to enter as minors though. I wouldn't worry about it too much because remember one of his closest friends Riviera( he supposedly talked to Rubio about his stars act before introducing it) kept the 15 and under age in both of his versions of the dream act.
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There will probably be a strict age limit, I think that's starting to get realized by most dreamers, expect his bill to be slightly better or even worse then Rivera's, you can see it in all the trends already. But the simple truth is the lower he goes, the better the chances it can pass, and even the Dems seem to be willing to take it, hence all the democratic congressmen who are advocating for it even after meeting Rubio. My only question though is this, once the age limits are unveiled, will you all support it and help those who can qualify, or will you all suddenly go DA user and destroy anyone's chances of ever getting anything?
Immigrationtruth, under the American immigration law, anyone under the age of 16 is a child, I highly doubt that a member of the Senate would blatantly disregard that law when writing an immigration Bill.

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Is a 15 yr old considered an "older teenager"? He did say that they would have had to enter as minors though. I wouldn't worry about it too much because remember one of his closest friends Riviera( he supposedly talked to Rubio about his stars act before introducing it) kept the 15 and under age in both of his versions of the dream act.
^ This.
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under Marco Rubio bill how am i suppose to join the marines with a non- immigrant visa we have to be a permanent resident
Yes, I am also wondering this now because the military only accepts green card or citizens. But, he did say we get the visa if we go to college or serve in military. So.....he'll have to manipulate/convince the military to start accepting us and put a special category for our acceptance, i guess.

The original DA would give you a conditional green card, which would let you join the military. You can also apply for citizenship when you join the military, and they'll get it to you fast...but only if you have a green card when you apply. This process is called naturalization, i believe. It is only available to the Army, Navy, and Air Force, i think.
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Is a 15 yr old considered an "older teenager"? He did say that they would have had to enter as minors though. I wouldn't worry about it too much because remember one of his closest friends Riviera( he supposedly talked to Rubio about his stars act before introducing it) kept the 15 and under age in both of his versions of the dream act.
I won't worry about it too much then. Because like Dream becomes Reality said, a child is considered younger than 16 years old under immigration law. We'll just wait and see.
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Thank you for the link.

He's still discussing the bill and that is a good thing. But, he used the phrase "older teenagers" and specifically said 12 and 8. That concerns me...
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Immigrationtruth, under the American immigration law, anyone under the age of 16 is a child, I highly doubt that a member of the Senate would blatantly disregard that law when writing an immigration Bill.


^ This.
I don't disagree with that assertion, I know that, but at the end of the day it is his bill and he can rework it to block out certain segments, look at Rivera who's pretty much set a 21 and under age limit to be eligible for his bill. To even deny the chance that there might be a stricter age limit is a bit too unrealistic in my view. Might he make it a normal dream act/ Yes, but based on all the comments and his past history he has a huge problem with broad age ranges.


"Daniela Pelaez, the North Miami Senior High valedictorian whose possible deportation caught national attention, met with Rubio in Washington, D.C. last month and told Univision News that the senator was also concerned that the age groups covered by the original DREAM Act were too broad.
“Those were the biggest concerns for him,” she said."

So yes I understand, American immigration law states that, but in terms of the context of his bill he can quire frankly go whichever way he wants.
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Yes, I am also wondering this now because the military only accepts green card or citizens. But, he did say we get the visa if we go to college or serve in military. So.....he'll have to manipulate/convince the military to start accepting us and put a special category for our acceptance, i guess.

The original DA would give you a conditional green card, which would let you join the military. You can also apply for citizenship when you join the military, and they'll get it to you fast...but only if you have a green card when you apply . This process is called naturalization, i believe. It is only available to the Army, Navy, and Air Force, i think.
Changing the Federal Register (which is basically what the government uses to interpret the law) is easy enough because people legalized through a nonimmigrant visa would become aliens vital to the national interest under 10 USC 504 (I think). Interestingly enough, you don't have to be a green-card holder to get citizenship if you join the military (that is, active duty or selected reserve Army, Air Force, Navy, Marines, Coast Guard, National Guard, or Air National Guard). You just have to have enlisted in the United States.
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06-03-2012, 02:01 PM
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There will probably be a strict age limit, I think that's starting to get realized by most dreamers, expect his bill to be slightly better or even worse then Rivera's, you can see it in all the trends already. But the simple truth is the lower he goes, the better the chances it can pass, and even the Dems seem to be willing to take it, hence all the democratic congressmen who are advocating for it even after meeting Rubio. My only question though is this, once the age limits are unveiled, will you all support it and help those who can qualify, or will you all suddenly go DA user and destroy anyone's chances of ever getting anything?
I personally certainly would not support it, and not just for the reasons of me not getting included in the provisions. If I was a little younger, maybe like 21, I would be really pissed off, but I think I could still relate to the people a few years younger, who need this bill.

What I find the most frustrating about this bill is that it completely negates everything every single older Dreamer had to, and was willing to do, over the last decade. This includes any college degrees, any time spent fighting to get this bill passed, working for minimal wages, and having to stay below the radar and not getting a chance to live any sort of life. None of this needed to happen.

While many people - especially the ones who already have all the rights already - might say, "well, no one told you, or asked you to stay and wait" but you see, here's the deal. That's exactly what everyone did. Every so often the Dream act would get brought up again, and there will be a large uproar from the Democrats, the President, and even the public supporting it.Furthermore, until now the versions were somewhat similar and the majority of dreamers did not expect such significant restrictions. This version on the other hand, in addition to throwing the large majority of dreamers under the bus, probably could have been passed long time ago, when Reps controlled everything, and at least all of us would have had a point of reference, and would have been able to live our lives accordingly.

I, for one, would have left the second I got my degree. The United States is not some promised land, and I will not get killed if I go back to my native country. At the same time, I grew up here, and have ties to the culture and everything related to it, and it really pisses me off that many who have spent far less time here, all of a sudden are considered more assimilated or more important, or whatever other term you want to use.
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Changing the Federal Register (which is basically what the government uses to interpret the law) is easy enough because people legalized through a nonimmigrant visa would become aliens vital to the national interest under 10 USC 504 (I think). Interestingly enough, you don't have to be a green-card holder to get citizenship if you join the military (that is, active duty or selected reserve Army, Air Force, Navy, Marines, Coast Guard, National Guard, or Air National Guard). You just have to have enlisted in the United States.
Link? I've searched the requirements for naturalization and never saw this. The only people that are excluded from it is only for jobs like arabic translator and like 5 other jobs that none of us qualify for. I've never read this (the bold part).
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I m a little worry about "living at least 10 years" in US. I am only up to 9 years right now. But I should not be excluded from this bill. I think the residency limit should be lower to 5 years or more.
5 years ago DA wasn;'t really that active, so it should be a fair...
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