Against people getting GED for DACA - Page 8

That reminds me too much of the insect "brain" in Klandathu..

Why did Starship Troopers 2, 3, 4(?) have to suck First one was awesome.

that movie is my childhood

I didn't know that. Thanks a lot. Have a good night.

then i guess we find common ground! i don't believe in absolutes either. i don't see something we can put on paper like a passing test scores or good grades as sign of character or being deserving of something more than the person next to us. at the height of my academic success, i was a real asshole. also, my drive to succeed was pathological at times. thank goodness my idea of success has changed.

i also think like, what if the person who had yet to take their GEDs would have done so later down the road? what if crap happened, and dreams fell to the wayside. or postponed. who's to say that they're not hard working people? honorable people. more honorable, deserving than me. i see people around me with a lot of drive but not a lot of support who compensate with narcissism and various addictions, some very legal and some not so much. i have fallen to such patterns myself (online gaming, overeating, being concerned with the minutiae of details and refusing to look at the bigger picture as it was suffocatingly overwhelming to me at the time).

see, i have been beaten down by this situation. i have had drives to succeed, and i have a drive to succeed but like i said, it looks different. feels different now. i have a good record. no misdemeanors, and grades and stuff that make it look like i'm driven and i'm made of good stuff. but i guess what i meant is that we can't assume worth about people just because they lack a credential we feel they should have by now.

for me, the announcement is like... ok. now you can. move forward in directions you thought you couldn't go. it's scary sometimes. mostly exciting. kinda like. i became used to a certain way of living and thinking and now someone's saying, i can dream again. so i have a college degree and all, but for me i feel no different from the people who might be chasing their high school equivalency because of DA. gave me a kick in the ass that doesn't leave me buckled at my knees eating dirt. gave me the ok to feel ok to be here, to fight for my life. some of us need to hear that we're okay.

i guess yeah! let's support each other and help where we can. i feel like once we start talking in well you should be here by now, and should have done this by now, it reminds me of all the times my friends i had known for years who knew of my situation but obviously not that well would stare at me and go, "so... why don't you just apply for citizenship? *scoff*" like what's wrong with you kinda thing. KISS THOSE DAYS GOODBYE.

There are various night-school type programs where you study towards taking & passing the GED exam.

Yeah! I understand what you mean. Glad we had this exchange/conversation.

This announcement made my.. I suppose half year? haha, the other half would be the actual thing authorization and whatever comes with it.

In any case, I would just like people to be open to sharing. Don't get bogged down if you fear others disagreeing with you. I would just like to end this in a good note.

Good luck to everyone's application!

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Hear hear!

Status for everyone!

Damn, lots of comments.

First off, I'm not even being included in this either way because I'm over 31 so your "I got mine, eff the rest of you" makes no sense. 2nd, in a perfect world, we'd all get our green cards, but there is little if any general sympathy for fence jumpers and visa over-stayers from Americans. The only Sympathy we get is because Dreamers are a special category who are believed by most reasonable people as not having a choice and are otherwise American.


Ok...thanks for adding nothing to the conversation.


So you didn't read it, but still wanted to comment...I have no idea what ALIPACers are, but that sounds like something an ALIPACer would say.

And of course this isn't the Dream Act, but the qualifications are similar to the Dream Act and if the real Dream Act is ever passed, the educational requirements will come into play. You think they'll actually make things easier in the final Dream Act? At best, this GED person will get a work permit for 2 years and then be illegal again because people who don't graduate High School and don't willingly go get a GED aren't the type to stick to college - even a 2 year school. I've been to both a community college and a university. Some people just don't belong there.


BINGO! THAT'S MY POINT! If you just show up to school most of the time, you can get a HS diploma. It is the absolute least amount of accomplishment someone can have so if someone doesn't even put in that kind of effort, what does that say about them and their future? How will they finish college? College doesn't matter you say? It does for the Dream Act.

The joke is that people who had any desire to get an education would have already had a HS degree or get the GED without thinking it's a free work permit. I can't judge one's character by how much education they have but I can usually guess how intelligent they are by talking to them for even a half hour. Sure, some of us can't go to college, but HS is open to everybody so it takes an especially lazy type of person to not even go to HS and sit in remedial math, English, or Earth Science, Health, Gym, Study Hall. That's pretty much all it takes to graduate...sure it won't help much for college, but again, how lazy do you have to be to not even do that?

I find it very unlikely that parents who risked their life for their kids to have a better life would turn around and tell that same kid not to go to school and work. Again, we are talking about American High Schools where you're in school for what, 6 hours a day? Not to be on a high horse, but I worked in HS too and would show up to class half asleep. Somehow I made it. College wasn't fun by working 60-80 hours a week either but somehow I did it. Where there is a will, there is a way.

And this is nothing like the Rednecks so don't even bring them into this. This is a Dream Act forum. not a CIR forum. We are not all equal. If someone wants to be a day laborer for the rest of their life then more power to them and maybe CIR will take care of them. Fact is that for most of those Day Laborers, their quality of life won't change a whole lot with or without a work permit, but for us, this is our country and it would improve our lives exponentially.


That's why I'm dumbfounded that someone couldn't do that while working 2 jobs. Instead of watching Univision at night with the half naked girls dancing for the midget in the giant hat, they could spend an hour a night studying before going to bed. I actually know people like that who I work with (green card holders even) who say they don't have time to take English classes but spend their time doing that. Some people just don't have any natural curiosity about life.

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Final thought:
Whether you feel solidarity to other illegals or not, we are not one the same. They have their own struggles, but ours is different and that is why we get a little more sympathy from the "good people" because we are part of this country and at the very least we should have a HS degree or GED (not forced). They have enough HS dropout Americans. They don't need more.

I am a man, I'm very optimistic that we will have some sort of dream act approved within the next couple years. I just hope that Romney jerk doesn't get elected as president or we are toast