President Obama speaks spanish to Dreamers - Page 6

I'm in love with you. In the most non-creepy way possible.

Actually, illegal immigrants from Mexico DO make up the majority. I would say nearly 75% of all illegal immigrants in the US are Mexican. Why do you think it also takes nearly 8 years just to wait for there to be a visa available so that someone from Mexico can get a greencard? It's not the hype, it's the facts.

A lot smarter than painting your face brown..

Okay, we need to break my original premise down so that it's much more clearer considering there is a lot of misunderstanding. With my logic, this is how approached the original question at hand.

1. Most illegal immigrants come from Mexico
2. Dream Act applicable people are illegal immigrants
3. Therefore, most DREAMers are from Mexico

There is nothing illogical about this statement, considering that was my original point, that there indeed is a large majority illegal immigrants that are Mexican. My only regret (hence hindsight) was the fact that I didn't forsee the fact that people may misinterpret my post and which I didn't mention the minority hispanic groups. For that I apologize, since I was not generalizing the minority hispanic groups but rather speaking directly for the Mexican groups since they are the majority that ends up voting for Obama.

http://www.usnews.com/news/washingto...me-from-mexico

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal...ries_of_origin

Irrelevant considering the numbers are consistent with various reports and media.

You're either a master statician or you're generalizing a bit too much here.

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1209/rac...ntial-election

As you can see, the Black vote turn out was fairly high with majority of them voting. They still carry weight and I have no idea why you are undermining the efforts of the African American bloc. The reason why the Dems pander less to African American groups is because the moment Obama does, the attacks that he is an angry black man comes back to haunt him and the most important fact that the African American vote is pretty much secure for the next generations with Obama being elected in 2008. There is no need to use political capital and actual money to pander the African Americans.

The best part about the African American vote? They are growing ever so steadily which will be a gigantic factor in 10-20 years.

This part I don't understand. You say that you don't agree with Mexicans being the illegal immigrant bloc but then you say you suspect they are. There is no argument in this post.

Something about the media conspiring against the American public with falsehoods and irrelevance? I agree to an extent but that's only the mainstream media. When you broaden your sense of information from all spectrums, it's easy to see there is very good credible news sources regardless of worrying about personal bias or agendas. Heck, even the mainstream media has to be right at some point, right? And their track record hasn't been too off, minus Fox or MSNBC to a lesser extent. The problem isn't the mainstream media per se, but rather the lack of accountability and oversight considering almost all media outlets are owned by giant corporations vying for money.

I don't agree with this necessarily, yes, he did break his promise of getting CIR done during his first term but the economic free fall resulting from the previous era completely destroyed that. He's not a dumb guy to completely ignore the economy when practically everybody was out to blame Obama for the losses of jobs and the stock market essentially falling. It's not shameful at all to court for votes especially in an election that is going to be very tight and close. You'd be extremely naive to believe that Obama not take drastic measures to ensure the most votes possible for this election, considering his opponent is far worse than him in every regard. This is why he announced his support for Gay marriage and DACA. These two risks (yes it was a big risk) are what was needed to change the dynamics of the race. And I discussed the merits of Obama announcing DACA long time ago, many have said it was for political gain, and of course it was. But to undermine his position that he was shamless in pandering for the Latino vote is baseless because this was seen as a risky move by all political pundits and analyzers and it was purely a calculated move as well.

In the end, I think we all violently agree to an extent. I did make the blunder of generalizing Mexicans as the main focus of hispanic speakers, but I had good reasons to refer to many Mexicans here considering there is a large majority by far. I was just going by strictly numbers in which 62%+ being Mexicans that are illegal. Yes, I undermined the presence of minority undocumented groups and for that I apologize.

I'm going to have to cut this short because when I reply to an argument, I have a habit of getting too involved in it and to save my sanity, I won't reply after this. But you do raise some very good points but I just had to point out some. Otherwise, thank you for the learning process, I really wish we can move on from my blunder and generalization, I learned not only to watch my other minority comrades but also to involve everybody in a discussion regardless of race or nationality.

tl;dr, I was wrong in undermining the minority (Hispanic) groups when I asked my question and I apologize. I hope we can move on.

^this

Mexicans aren't the only group waiting that long for a greencard. I assure you. I know several people from various countries and we all go through the same waiting period.

Much respect to you and your response. I disagree with many points, but your argument was very well put. Any reply I make will only be me repeating what I said before, so I will leave it here. I hope you don't take that disrespectfully.

LoL!