What most of us forgot... - Page 4

Originally Posted by Cloudless

Let me start over again, because I have a feeling you jumped in without fully following everything.

A guy here is pushing people to immediately renounce their foreign citizenship when they say they don't feel any strong connection to their birth country. This is rather strange, considering the forum was set up for DREAMers who are asking to be considered as Americans, so they can pursue their American dream.

One factor that seems to affect the sentiment is the age at which you were brought here. People who are brought here at a very young age would naturally feel that America is their home, as it's the only place they know growing up. If American lawmakers are getting the impression that older kids tend to be less 'American' (for lack of a better word), they can decide to change the bottom cut off date. Instead of getting special status afforded to DREAMers, these older kids will be covered by other (less generous) provisions of CIR for regular immigrants.

You don't believe me? Dream act cutoff age is 15, while for Republican's Achieve act it's 14. If you give Congress the justification, don't be surprised if they push it even lower. What I'm trying to say is DON'T give them the justification, as you can not take the cutoff date for granted.

Originally Posted by msaccountant

I actually heard a FAIR guy say this on some debate I watched for an essay I did on the DA. They believe that if you were a teenager when you got here you don't really have any strong feelings for this country. I say it's a 'case by case' situation.

Originally Posted by Dream becomes Reality

How do they explain patriotic Naturalized American citizens that immigrated here legally /became legalized here in their late teens, 20s, 30s...80s, 90s, etc. Those FAIR people are detached from reality and they are quickly being left behind as this country moves forward.

Originally Posted by Dream becomes Reality

I understand what you are saying, the problem is that you haven't been able to set forth a valid reason why you think that the age of a child according to the US Immigration law would be changed. Your only example is that joke of an ''Achieve Act.'' If you think that that ''Bill'' has a chance of passing then I have an oceanfront property in Kansas that I'd like to sell to you (*hint: there are no oceans in Kansas).

Originally Posted by akkiano

I would do so gladly, I don't care who attacks me for saying it. Mexico as a country has done absolutely nothing for me; I owe it nothing. My homeland is here. Everything that I have, everything that I am, I owe to this country and I would not hesitate to put my life on the line to defend it. The well-being and betterment of the US comes first to me.

I don't denounce my heritage or my culture, that's in the blood and I am proud of it. But I do not see myself as a Mexican national--I see myself as Mexican-American.

It is the responsibility of the citizens of Mexico to do something about the corruption, violence, and poverty that ails their country. No one can help them if they don't help themselves first, and sadly they are not doing much out of fear and ignorance. They just voted the PRI back into power and elected Enrique Pena-Nieto as president, one of the right hand men of corrupt ex-president Carlos Salinas de Gortari who is notable for leaving Mexico in financial shambles. If that is not a step in the wrong direction, then I don't know what is.

The Mexican people in general seem to have evolved to be a complacent society, reluctant to rid themselves of the cancer that consumes them and drives them down. Long gone are the days of the Revolution and the Independence where the people actually had a fire in their hearts and some balls between their legs to fight and overthrow the oppressive powers running the country. I believe that is what they need again, a modern revolution and total uprising by the people to purge themselves of all the corrupt officials and the heinous drug-cartels. It's going to be a hard, bloody fight and in the end they will have to start from the bottom with a clean slate. But it will give the country back to the people, as it should be.

Originally Posted by MDxOD

Im from PR and the pharmaceutical industry has killed all educational opportunities over there. I am american and i love america, but I would not die to defend this country nor any country. If people like Gingrich can get family deferments and Romney can get a deferment from the military for religious reasons then call me Father mdxod, about to marry a few American chicks and procreate.


But i agree that if ya'll get legal status in the future, you should go back and contribute to the issues of your own country. I probably wont though.

Originally Posted by circasurvive

Like I said in my previous post, I do sympathize with the people of my home country and what they're going through right now, but I can't possibly empathize with them. I do, however, empathize with people struggling here.