But do all immigrants deserve the amnesty? - Page 3

When you say you deserve, it sounds like you are saying that you are entitled to it. I think a different choice of words should be used, like if they give you and me an opportunity to give back to this great nation is more sound. And I agree with you on what you said that most people should better themselves before getting such a great chance to move this nation forward.

This guys a troll.

The problem with people not knowing the language was the huge purchase of territory from Mexico and Texas annexing from Mexico. As a result, the U.S.A. was not a country with an official language. Spanish was the main language in Mexico after Spain's dominance reign of it for many years. Mexico for example, didn't gain its independence until about half a decade later than the USA was established. At this point this Spanish language from Spain had become the dominant language in Mexico and its territory. Here then comes the USA and obtains a huge chunk of Mexico. Do you think all these people ran as soon as they became territory of the USA? The answer is no. Transportation was not readily available and as convenient as it is today. Thus you have a huge chunk of the USA who comes from Britain reign with English as their main language and another huge portion of Spanish speakers from Spain's reign. Then you get the USA as it basically is today. The French territories for example, were far smaller than the previous British or Spain influenced territory and thus the French language didn't become a major language in the USA.

Today you have a bunch of ignorant hate filled people who think English is god's gift. The reality is you didn't need English to live in California or other territories. I had family that lived in California for decades and they still barely speak a word of English today.

If you think I'm talking bull shit, I have lived near Chinatown in Chicago for a while now and I am very familiar with it. Chinese immigrants arrive here and the community caters to them so they don't need to speak English. I can go to Chinatown 4 blocks from here and I can find you plenty of people who have lived in Chicago, IL (part of the USA) for years and don't know a spec of English. I can also find you many other neighborhoods like these.

People call the USA the "melting pot", but the reality is that doesn't happen when you create segregation by geography in cities. It's more like a salad. There are many areas that cater to these immigrants and as result they rarely are forced to learn the language unless they want to get ahead academically and financially. Money speaks. Those who want to get money learn another language to get more customers. In a business you cater to your customers needs and wants. Anyone who thinks otherwise can challenge me to that fact, but when they are out in the street bankrupt 3 months after they will realize that this is a fact.


For example, some of my relatives who have been here for 30 yrs still barely know any English. California was a part of Mexico, and it's main language was Spanish. It wasn't until the gold rush that English became another dominant language in the region. Knowing your history is very important. I do find it offensive that some of my relatives when they received this opportunity didn't take full swing of it and it frustrates me. If it wasn't for my grandmother and grandfather who are still alive I do not know if I would be as lenient on their Spanish usage. I know for a fact that it pisses me off like no other that some of my relatives have been here for decades and I need to translate to them in Spanish when we should be able to converse in English without that need. They aren't entirely at fault however. I have pointed out how many other things cause these situations to arise. Unless the language is declared official, then money will always speak louder than desires. Businesses will continue to cater to anyone for their money even regardless of an official language law.

As to who deserves it, I think most in fact came to the USA for the same reason. Some were satisfied with small financial gains, while others are/were more ambitious. To say only the more ambitious are deserving, it's kind of mean spirited when referring to people. However, business wise, yes there is a huge difference. More taxes from people who make more is definitely better. That is why there are investor visas and green cards.

NOTE: I didn't review this post. It may be difficult to read and in a very weird order. Basically I just typed my thoughts out on the subject without regard to order.

this is extremely important, what about all those LEGAL immigrants who came here legally and stayed legally. Who TRULY played by all the rules, yet they too get screwed by the broken immigration system. Why should dreamers and agricultural workers get basically green cards, if there are legal people on non-immigrant visas that do not.

My parents dont speak english very well but I think they can't be excluded. They paid taxes for more than 10 years and totals up to more than 50k. I think it should be based on how long they stayed and taxes they paid.

OP is ignorant. You know what's the difference between a visa overstay and a person who crossed the border illegally? Not a damn thing because both parties made a conscious decision to break U.S. immigration law. I'm tired of visa overstays being put in a separate catergory simply because they learned to work the system. Did the cross the border illegally? No, but did they know their visa was expiring and decided not to return home? And for that they should be treated with preferential treatment? I don't think so. And although I don't receive welfare and don't agree with a lot of its practices I find it highly offensive for welfare to even be a part of the calculus is barring someone from obtaining citizenship or residency. Those are benefits available to USC children, is it constitutional to bar one class of citizens from receiving benefits (that God forbidden they may actually need) because their parents cannot find employment due to their citizenship status? And for welfare to even be a deterrent of CIR is discriminatory. It assumes that all immigrants want residency to become public liabilities.

Don't worry sweetie they are going to put people like myself
In the back of the line( my mother brought me to the USA illegaly
When I was 7 I'm now 22) and its only fair that they do that
And people can learn the language because they now have a motivation
To do so. Its going to be a tough but fair immigration reform

I noticed the lack of arguments lead people to think someone is a troll.

That was about 1 or 2 centuries ago...plenty of time for people to learn English. I don't think English is god's gift: that's how some Americans think but I find French and Argentinian Spanish more interesting

I do understand that some people didn't see the need to learn English since they catered to their community but if the immigration has to stop everything to get a interpreter for every foreign citizen who cannot speak English it will take over a decade for them to process everyone applying for amnesty.

Well, if they paid taxes then they showed their commitment (and respect) for the country. Why didn't they learn English?
Was it because their work revolved around their people, therefore, no need for English?