But do all immigrants deserve the amnesty? - Page 7

As per U.S constitution, all illegal immigrants are equal!
Inmigrantes ilegales de Estados Unidos Unios!

The OP does have some merit, I hate people living on welfare with a passion, my family came to US with nothing but debts, but in 16 years, we are clean. Never ask for any money, every single penny we have, we earned. I see people recently got their greencard/citizenship, apply their elderly parent and let them live on welfare, and I HATE it. And it does saddens me that if this get pass that there will be one of us that will also wanna live on welfare.

But true to be told, OP does come off sounding VERY arrogant. And need to come off your high horses thinking that just because you came here with a legal status that you are better than most of us.

I feel disdain for youngsters who does not bother to learn English, but I am very comfortable with the elderly who didn't. Main reason was my own experience. Parent came to US at the age of 30, with no less than 10k debt, with no legal status and education, they work less than min-wage job for well over 12 hours a day. Thus, is been 16 years and their English is only limited to few words/sentences.

What if this guy is one of those alipac/fair that just come on here to mess with us, and instead gets schooled on english grammar by a bunch of "illegals".

Ur worried about immigrants getting on welfare???
What about us citizens that are already on welfare
and abusing the system. Its okay for them?
The whole system is broken and the government needs
To fix it. I get ur point but just worry about yourself

Again, LPRs cannot receive any sort of welfare benefits for five years after receiving their green cards. So even if they did apply for their elderly parent or their imaginary friend, they wouldn't be eligible for YEARS.

anyways, this thread is just full of stupid...

I've been here since I was 4, currently just turned 25. In my eyes, people like you, who came at an age of over 18, who made a conscious decision to not follow the rules and leave when your visa expired, should not get a single bit of help through anything and deserve to go through the crap that everyone else has to go through to get your so-called 'amnesty'.

In regards to english, make it a requirement for everyone to speak it, don't just single out people like my mom who bust her ass all damn day and is too physically tired to even try going to go to some ESL class *some which I myself have sat in on and spent the whole time scratching my head because the instructors sucked soooo much*. How can you expect someone, who works form 7am till 5-6pm doing manual work to drive at night in an area they constantly hold 'safety checkpoints' just so they can try to learn English at some shitty ESL class? She's not the only one in that situation, hundreds of thousands are. I'm also going to go out on a limb and say that you already possessed some sort of competency in the English language before you got here, either learning it as a second language in school? Not everyone has that privilege.

I'm going to go ahead and drop some US history, every immigrant group, including the current hispanic immigrant wave, has been subjected to the same old "they're not learning English/they're not learning our custom," bullshit yet every single one, including previous hispanic immigrant groups has 'Americanized' themselves. There was a time when you couldn't walk through parts of New York without seeing every storefront in every language, Hewbrew, German, Portuguese, Italian, Spanish etc. with tiny English subtexts, yet every one of those groups became Americanized. Most of us on this forum were raised here, we went to school and learned English, we grew up with American friends; it's easy to become immersed in it all. Our parents however, did not have that same privilege. Their generation cannot become so easily immersed. I see it all the time. I have a friend who's grand parents came from Japan at the turn of the last century. They had a few kids, all of which are fluent English speakers with limited Japanese skills. Their kids are full English Speakers who very limited Japanese. I also have a friend who's grandparents are Mexican yet he is 2nd generation Mexican American. His parents are in a transitionary stage where they know both English and Spanish. My friend is only fluent in English and is currently trying to learn spanish. This is how it always is. Things like this take generations, it will not ever happen overnight.

I would also love to add that you need to better your English speaking/writing skills or pick up a dictionary because you obviously don't know the definition of 'Amnesty'. Amnesty denotes forgiveness for past transgressions and in immigration terms, unconditional residence/citizenship. What has been talked about by the group of 8 senators is a long process in which people would have to wait years for the current backlog of applicants, those who were petitioned by USC's or LPR's and those who fall under work petitions etc. before even granting them a conditional green card. Add to that, back taxes, fines, and the requirements to go through various background checks and learning English and American civics, the whole process will take a decade...hell of an 'amnesty' huh?

So to sum it up; A green card will not be issued to anyone unless there's tough border security enacted, applicants have to pass background checks, have to pay back taxes, have to pay fines, have to learn English and learn about American civics.

Also, how can you put yourself up on a pedestal as a model immigrant yet you would not get your Citizenship? You sound like an anti-immigrant immigrant French friend I have who refuses to get his Citizenship as this country in his words, "is not [his] country because it sucks."

p.s. I agree with Osito, you honestly have no clue what the heck you're talking about.

From my own point of view it doesn't affect you at all. You need to stop worrying about others, worry about yourself. If they decide to grant all 11 million LPR or Citizenship it won't affect you at all. Be grateful that you're already ahead of those that don't know the language. But don't come in here handing out tickets acting like Mr Obama and choosing who deserves green cards.

um, forgot about the time limit part. Well, seems like we're in agreement.

How am I not making myself clear? Your actions are hypocritical. You can call someone a child by their comments yet do the same when you generalize reading comprehension.

You come off arrogant, aloof and high and mighty. Even your comment above of "some people just weren't brought up well" comes across that way.

In regards to your amnesty question. Why not? It is not for us to know if people would bring a positive change to the country. Also, have you ever thought of why some people who have been here for 20 years cannot talk English? Maybe they lived where they were comfortable with. The stayed in neighborhoods that were primarily of the same ethnicity out of fear of being deported or what not. Maybe their ethnicity issued a situation where the race card was pulled out. You don't know a person's circumstances. Thus, do not judge people or perpetuate that you hate people who didn't do the same things you did.

LOL about your French friend....