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Amnesty For Illegal Immigrants Is Not Enough, They Deserve An Apology

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03-08-2013, 11:45 AM
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Thought I'd share this very interesting read. Wish Forbes wouldn't use the I word.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/harrybin...ve-an-apology/

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Op/Ed| 3/04/2013 @ 8:00AM |6,490 views

Amnesty For Illegal Immigrants Is Not Enough, They Deserve An Apology

What has happened to America? When did the land of the free become “You can’t land here”? Did we fight a Civil War to end slavery, in order then to put a wall around the country and keep “undesirables” out? Did we fight against Nazism in order to make our own class of “untermenschen,” and to have petty tyrants demand: “Where are your papers?!”

Freedom of travel is a right. It is a right possessed by every human being, not just by Americans. The Mexican government or the French government has no right to stop you from entering Mexico or France, and our government has no right to stop a Mexican or Frenchman from entering America.

The country does not belong to the government. It does not belong to the majority. Land belongs to individual, private owners, and only they have the right to invite or bar others from coming on their land.

The government has no more right to lock people out than to lock them in. The same principle damning the Berlin Wall damns walls erected to keep people out.

It is said we need to “secure our borders,” but that phrase is pure spin. To secure them against what? Nannies, engineers, carpenters, and waiters?

What about terrorists? The answer to terrorism is not to cower down in a bunker-America. The answer to terrorism is decisive military strikes against our enemies, especially Iran, to punish or end the regimes that sponsor terrorism. Make the rogue regimes worry about securing their borders.

If the laws restricting entry are dead wrong, what are we to think of those “illegals” who have disobeyed these laws? Everyone seems to think that entering the country without the government’s permission is a serious offense, that the illegals should at the least be “sent to the back of the line,” that their law-breaking forever stains them with dishonor. But the law is wrong. The stain of dishonor is not on the illegals but on the illegalizers.

The illegals came here because they value America. They broke an unjust law in order to live a free, better, richer life. In the vast majority of cases, obeying anti-immigration laws would mean never getting to live here. It’s a life sentence.

Breaking bad laws to build a better life is not dishonorable; it is admirable, provided breaking the law involves no use of force. Coming here in defiance of unjust laws is a peaceful act; it is just the avoidance of the force our government would initiate against them. It is certainly wrong to wield private force; it is wrong to take the law into one’s own hand. But these are not involved in illegal immigration.

There is no moral requirement to martyr oneself to any form of obedience to others–neither to their opinions nor to the disgraceful, rights-violating laws they pass.

An “illegal” immigrant is, in principle, like a Jew in Nazi Germany who refused to wear the yellow star. Yes, I grant you that ours is not a barbarous dictatorship like the Nazi regime, and in the name of objectivity, there is a certain deference due to legality and lawfulness as such. But not at the price of wasting one’s life in Senegal, Haiti, or even Greece, instead of America.

The principle established at the Nuremberg war-crimes trials was that a monstrous act cannot be excused by saying that one was merely obeying the law–”just following orders.” Basic morality trumps the merely legal. The corollary is that one cannot be condemned for disobeying a monstrous law merely on the grounds that “those are the rules,” “the nation decided, so just follow orders.” A monstrous law should neither be obeyed nor enforced. It must be repealed.

It is not enough to give “illegals” amnesty. These long-oppressed individuals deserve an official apology from our government.
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03-08-2013, 12:20 PM
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While I appreciate not being told to "go back home", I feel that this article does more harm than good at this stage of the debate.
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This is just a bad article.
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Freedom of travel is a right. It is a right possessed by every human being, not just by Americans. The Mexican government or the French government has no right to stop you from entering Mexico or France, and our government has no right to stop a Mexican or Frenchman from entering America.
So he's saying anyone can enter anyone's land without any sort of documentation or that we should be able to? Sure as hell can't do that in Mexico.

I don't think we deserve an apology. If anything, we should be grateful. This isn't our birth place, yet we are being given an opportunity to make it our home land. Why should we be given an apology for that?
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I need an apology by means of a tortilla sombrero filled with taco meat, hot sauce and sour cream. Oh, and some overdue welfare checks so I can trade them for new spinning 22 inch rims. ASAP.
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So he's saying anyone can enter anyone's land without any sort of documentation or that we should be able to? Sure as hell can't do that in Mexico.

I don't think we deserve an apology. If anything, we should be grateful. This isn't our birth place, yet we are being given an opportunity to make it our home land. Why should we be given an apology for that?
I thought that when I read that too! lol

I thought it was a very different interesting point of view since I had not read something like that before.

Do we deserve an apology? Hmmm...I don't think I do. I would just like to be able to become a citizen of this country in order to fully contribute.

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I need an apology by means of a tortilla sombrero filled with taco meat, hot sauce and sour cream. Oh, and some overdue welfare checks so I can trade them for new spinning 22 inch rims. ASAP.
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A bit misguided but we deserve an apology for the way they treat us. I demand an apology from the whole state of Arizona. I don't know about you guys but I'll always remember where I came from and won't tolerate the injustice done to my people because they are or were undocumented.
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I just love the fact that we are starting to see an America that is slowly becoming more at terms on where the nation stands right now. We can argue all day about what this does or does not do for us, if we deserve an apology or not. We wont change what he already wrote and we can only accept the fact that he is for amnesty and maybe a one world goverment but that is another topic LOL. My point is that everyday I see people that are more openly becoming more and more in favor of an immigration reform. I can see CIR passing soon this year Or in the worst case early 2014
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United States is one of the few country that treat undocumented with some fairness. We did break the law in the first place. Not matter what our reason is to cross this border, it's still against the law. While pushing for CIR, we should be careful with our tone. We should let the American people know that we understand that we break the law, but for a reason, such as uniting with our family, escape from gang crimes, wanting an better opportunity and etc.... We are asking nothing more than an opportunity to stay and contribute to this society.
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A bit misguided but we deserve an apology for the way they treat us. I demand an apology from the whole state of Arizona. I don't know about you guys but I'll always remember where I came from and won't tolerate the injustice done to my people because they are or were undocumented.
A big reason why people oppose CIR is because they believe that we think we are entitled to being treated like a U.S. Citizen. That we deserve this and much more. That is not the right way to go about this. Maybe you forgot that we aren't legal immigrants who are being treated different, we are illegal Immigrants who are looking for an opportunity to become Legal. Saying that we deserve an apology on top of a legal status sounds like were spoiled brats.

Be it our fault or not, we broke this country's laws and we paid the consequences, but we were given an opportunity to stay, study and go to school. We should be grateful, not have the mentality that this country owes us anything.
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