House Plan: Illegal Immigrants Sentenced to Probation - Page 3

Pluribus · 04-29-2013, 11:43 PM

That won't work, it'll take too long. Courts take long enough already.

RabbitsFoot · 04-30-2013, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Ianus

I think we should not jump to conclusions until they actually release the bill.This sounds like the general legalization plan for the regular undocumented under the House Gang of 8 plan.We were saying the same thing about the Senate bill until we actually saw the language....and think we should await judgement until there is further clarity on the Dreamer path which is separate.

I think in the end Dreamers will more than likely be applying for their immediate relatives.
Under both plans it seems likely to function either as a special status for the undocumented or simply an unrestricted non-immigrant visa,both will more than likely have unrestricted travel authorization but considering the Permanent residency pathways I don't think many individuals will get there considering some of the requirements.I like the compromise idea still.

After reading about the House plan it doesn't seem to have a 'cut-off' date like the Senate bill making it apply to all undocumented.

Perhaps someone who has a good understand of the laws can explain to me. Is the "probation" status pretty much give all of us a permanent criminal record? Such as having to disclose it on a job application. That would bar us from pursuing many jobs.

So aside from the torture we have had for so long, they want to scar us for life before freeing us. Why don't they tattoo a number on my forearm too?

Demise · 12:17 AM

There was like 350 thousand case backlog before immigration judges in 2009, it's probably more with Obama being so deportation happy, I wonder how do they plan of pushing 11 million people through the court system. Unless we establish 5 minute courts - run, in judge waves a finger at you, puts you on probation, and you run out.

... and besides what if I decide to be a dick and cite Plyler v. Doe ruling which says that by being brought into US illegally I committed no crime, can I be sentenced to probation? Probably not since I committed no crime, and if I can't then what?

Republican logic at work, again.

Ianus · 04-30-2013, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by RabbitsFoot

Perhaps someone who has a good understand of the laws can explain to me. Is the "probation" status pretty much give all of us a permanent criminal record? Such as having to disclose it on a job application. That would bar us from pursuing many jobs.

So aside from the torture we have had for so long, they want to scar us for life before freeing us. Why don't they tattoo a number on my forearm too?

It seems the jest of what the article mentions is that an individual pleas guilty in Federal Court,not necessarily immigration court.There isn't any explicit detail on if the charge and eventual plea would 'prohibit' an individual from any opportunity or benefit.

The ironic thing is those who apply for Naturalization have the proceeding done by a Federal judge as well.I can just imagine seeing a mass. of undocumented saying "GUILTY" when the judge has been announced and precides,lol

DA User · 04-30-2013, 01:26 AM

Why does it matter what the process is? Sounds good to me.

Pianoswithoutfaith · 04-30-2013, 01:27 AM

The house really doesn't want a this bill to pass but at the same time don't want to look back to neither side. So what to they do? this shit also

law but saves taxpayers the expense of incarceration.

What the hell? Most illegal aliens are taxpayers

Pianoswithoutfaith · 04-30-2013, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DA User

Why does it matter what the process is? Sounds good to me.

DA User would deport his sister, his cousin and his mom to have a safe status in this country

Optimism12 · 04-30-2013, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DA User

Why does it matter what the process is? Sounds good to me.

saint seiya · 04-30-2013, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Kraze101

And if the judge says to deport this illegal ass? For instance if I do this in Alabama...

lmao!!!

Tovicmar · 04-30-2013, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Sonawabich

Putting 11 million or so people in front of Immigration Judges. Would take decades.

Yep.. Years.. and years of wait..

And besides, I think That you can't become a citizen if you are convicted of a Federal Offense/Crime.. And since this would be handle by Federal Jude (according to article of OP), accepting the probation as a sentence is accepting a federal offense. But wait, why am I writing about what it could be?
I hope they release their bill soon.. So all this speculation does not continue to increase.

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House Plan: Illegal Immigrants Sentenced to Probation - Page 3