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Ianus · 05-20-2007, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by frbc13

why do you say that? what about the selective service? (i did register by the way)

Under the Compromise draft this was mentioned under the Z-visa.

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(8 ) Military Selective Service.- The alien shall establish that if the alien is within the age period required under the Military Selective Service Act (50 U.S.C. App. 451 et seq.) that such alien has registered under that Act.

Now,the failure to register for Dream act students seems to be a big deal,at least to me.

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What if I am over age 26 and haven't registered?
Once you reach age 26, it's too late to register. Even though you may not be prosecuted, you will be denied student financial assistance, Federal job training, and most Federal employment unless you can provide convincing evidence to the agency providing the benefit you are seeking, that your failure to register was not knowing and willful.

Ianus · 05-20-2007, 04:33 PM

After doing a bit more research on this matter,It has come to my attention that this selective service problem has a lot more wide ranging effects than previously thought.

It seems that it could also affect immigration benefits,specifically Naturalization.The reason for this can be explained over at Shusterman.

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Eligibility for Naturalization

Section 316(a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) requires a naturalization applicant to prove that he or she is, and has been for the requisite period, a person of good moral character, attached to the principles of the Constitution of the United States, and well disposed toward the good order and happiness of the United States. Section 337(a)(5)(A) of the INA also requires applicants to declare under oath his or her willingness to bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by law. Therefore, it is INS policy that refusal to or knowing and willful failure to register for Selective Service during the period for which an applicant is required to prove his compliance with § 316(a)(3) supports a finding that the applicant is not eligible for naturalization, because he has failed to establish his willingness to bear arms when required and his disposition to the good order and happiness of the United States.

Effect of Failure to Register for Selective Service

Failure to register for Selective Service is not a permanent bar to naturalization. In general, INS will find an applicant ineligible for naturalization on account of failure to register for Selective Service if a male applicant refuses to or knowingly and willfully failed to register during the period for which the applicant is required to establish his disposition to the good order and happiness of the United States. This period coincides with the more familiar good moral character period. Whether it is proper for the INS to determine that an applicant refused to or knowingly and willfully failed to register for Selective Service will depend on the applicant's age at the time of filing the naturalization application and up until the time of administration of the oath of allegiance.

VJB2 · 05-20-2007, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by hooper

Hey, where can I get this card. I know you get it from the P.O. but what do I say when I want to request one.

They're usually laying around, just look around the post office. Maybe where there are the pens and other forms. I didn't have to ask for mine, I just saw the form and remembered I had to do it. They're not hard to miss.

fldude13 · 05-20-2007, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Triple ?

can't.... stop..... laughing

Seriously though i'm going straight to my post office to register as soon as i turn 18 (less than two weeks!)

mutantxp · 05-20-2007, 11:00 PM

I know this might be a stupid question but "date of enactment" means when the president signs the bill into law right? I turn 27 in a couple months and so I'm a bit nervous.

VJB2 · 05-20-2007, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mutantxp

I know this might be a stupid question but "date of enactment" means when the president signs the bill into law right? I turn 27 in a couple months and so I'm a bit nervous.

Someone might want to clarify this, but I think it depends on the text of the bill. Sometimes a law can come into effect once the president signs it. Others can mention a certain time like, "The first day of the following year of when the president signs the bill."

dream · 05-21-2007, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Ianus

-NO MORE 5 YEAR RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT
-Must have been in the United States before the age 16
-UPON THE DATE OF ENACTMENT YOU MUST BE LESS THAN THE AGE OF 30
-WE WILL BE USING THE Z_VISA SCHEME
-WE CAN ADJUST STATUS TO PERMANENT RESIDENCY EVEN WITH A PROBATIONARY Z-VISA IF WE HAVE MET THE THREE YEAR REQUIREMENT of holding Z-status
-DREAM APPLICANTS MUST HAVE BEEN IN THE COUNTRY BEFORE JANUARY 1st,2007
-THERE WILL BE AN INTERVIEW FOR THE Z-VISA
-YOU WILL BE ASKED IF YOU HAVE REGISTERED WITH THE SELECTIVE SERVICE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE MILITARY SELECTIVE SERVICE ACT
-Naturalization could take a total of 8 years as long as you have received a Probationary Z or Permanent Z-visa
-THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ANY 'TRIGGER' for Dream applicants except for the implementations of the 'Final Regulations'

From the looks of it this bill will benefit a LOT more people due to the 5 year requirement being gone.Hopefully it will be some here & I'll also EDIT my post to give a much clearer view on what may effect us as Dream applicants.

This will also disqualify a LOT more people due to "LESS THAN THE AGE OF 30". I'm a long time supporter of Dream Act, it seems I'm so out of luck now if the Dream passes. Is it still possible to contact senators before the debate start?

VJB2 · 05-21-2007, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by dream

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Originally Posted by Ianus

-NO MORE 5 YEAR RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT
-Must have been in the United States before the age 16
-UPON THE DATE OF ENACTMENT YOU MUST BE LESS THAN THE AGE OF 30
-WE WILL BE USING THE Z_VISA SCHEME
-WE CAN ADJUST STATUS TO PERMANENT RESIDENCY EVEN WITH A PROBATIONARY Z-VISA IF WE HAVE MET THE THREE YEAR REQUIREMENT of holding Z-status
-DREAM APPLICANTS MUST HAVE BEEN IN THE COUNTRY BEFORE JANUARY 1st,2007
-THERE WILL BE AN INTERVIEW FOR THE Z-VISA
-YOU WILL BE ASKED IF YOU HAVE REGISTERED WITH THE SELECTIVE SERVICE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE MILITARY SELECTIVE SERVICE ACT
-Naturalization could take a total of 8 years as long as you have received a Probationary Z or Permanent Z-visa
-THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ANY 'TRIGGER' for Dream applicants except for the implementations of the 'Final Regulations'

From the looks of it this bill will benefit a LOT more people due to the 5 year requirement being gone.Hopefully it will be some here & I'll also EDIT my post to give a much clearer view on what may effect us as Dream applicants.

This will also disqualify a LOT more people due to "LESS THAN THE AGE OF 30". I'm a long time supporter of Dream Act, it seems I'm so out of luck now if the Dream passes. Is it still possible to contact senators before the debate start?

Well, it would disqualify people. But in a way, if someone is 30 or older, then they didn't really come into the U.S. not knowing that it was illegal. Around that age or even half of that age, I'm sure people are pretty aware. If they were here for many years, some could have applied for the 1986 amnesty. Chances are they were around for it if they had to have entered the country before they were 16. I might not be making too much sense with how I'm trying to explain it. Point being is that the DREAM Act isn't for everyone, that's why there are more categories they can fall under.

dream · 05-21-2007, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by VJB2

Well, it would disqualify people. But in a way, if someone is 30 or older, then they didn't really come into the U.S. not knowing that it was illegal. Around that age or even half of that age, I'm sure people are pretty aware. If they were here for many years, some could have applied for the 1986 amnesty. Chances are they were around for it if they had to have entered the country before they were 16. I might not be making too much sense with how I'm trying to explain it. Point being is that the DREAM Act isn't for everyone, that's why there are more categories they can fall under.

Yes, we understand Dream may not be for anyone, but there are still people who came after 1986 (didn't qualify for 1986 amnesty), who were under 15 (upon initial entry) and demonstrated a good moral character, and sadly be denied with this new Dream provision. For instance, I've been writing to senators to request opening up the requirement on "no limitation" for the 5-year residency requirement in the past, and to my surprise, the new Dream requirement actually helped people who has entered in the country less than 5 years. I'm sure many other Dream supporters also written or called similar request to their senators, so good to know people are helping.

What's the assumption of people who are 30 or older has anything to do with "not knowing that it was illegal when they come to the US"? These people could have come to this country before age of 15 when they had no choice because their family came. Your point does not justify why Dream should ignore people who are 30 or older!

Aren't we here to support as many people who are suffering long enough without a way to gain residency? Take the new CIR requirement for example, people opposing illegal immigrations are making it more difficult for people to stay together with their family, to AOS locally, to pay heavy fine, etc.

lilbawler2001 · 05-21-2007, 08:43 AM

Dont worry this version of dream is unlikely to pass.

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