You are being brainwashed by the government - Page 2

We are living in the matrix, just not the actual one. We live in the matrix because we are all slaves of the system. Look at this youtube video and judge for yourself. Its called "Open your Mind" http://youtube.com/watch?v=9LEljS3ib...elated&search=

Meh. I have a hard time believing in conspiracy theories myself. I'm more of a "see it to believe it" person. What's weird is that I used to read so much on the Freemasons and The Illuminati in particular [there's an amazing book on them out there by John Robison if you're really interested in it...I think they may even have it online as well so you don't have to spend your money on the book] so I guess I just got tired of the whole thing. The truth of the matter is that IF they are as powerful as people claim they are, they are practically indestructible and going against them is futile. It's like the Skull and Bones thing. They may very well exist in the forms that researchers say they do but if they are that secretive and inaccessible, how was all this information compiled. I believe it is in the Robison book [I'm not that sure since I have like 4 books about the Illuminati and I'm too lazy to look up the actual source lol] that it is said that if you decide to defect from these secret societies you will be secretly and automatically killed. So where is all this info found?


It is really interesting, though, to think that there is only a handful of people that run the world. What's even more interesting is how they get government leaders to move the way they want them too. In the end though, no one is ever really going to know the truth and even if you hypothetical do find it out, what are you going to do? Billions of people will either a) not care, b) be intrigued but not really give a shit, or c) be incredibly skeptical and consider the research a load of bull and half-truths. The other small percentage of people will want to do something but will end up "mysteriously dead" or "lost" for years. People have been talking about "the New World Order" for years and nothing has changed drastically for that information to be credible. I just think its fun to read up about it but I don't recommend people to get too into this stuff or you'll get unnecessarily paranoid about who really IS selling you ice cream lol.

Aight, let the debate begin. A lot of the stuff that you have said is true, but some isnt. In the end you said that there is no proof for the New World Order is being implemented, well there is a TON of proof. The proof includes NATO(The world army so that no single country can go against the Illuminati and their plans), United Nations(Also for similar reasons), European Union, NAFTA, Council of Foreign Relations and many more. Also, notice the logos of all these organizations and you will either find pyramids, stars arranged in a circle(the all seeing eye), or the symbol of the devil(yes the devil). Also, look on the back of your #1 bill. There is a ILLUMINATI MAIN SYMBOL, the all seeing eye above the pyramid, with the message below "Novus Ordo Seclorum" meaning "New World Order" Also notice how everything is in 13's. The pyramid has 13 layers. The eagle on the other side has 13 arrows and 13 leafs. The number 33 above the letter L on the lower back symbolizes the highest level an Illuminati can be. And the biggest one of all: On the upper right side on the front there is a number 1 inside a shield. Now if you look very carefully, there is a tiny white dot on the upper left side of that shield. It is an owl, also one of the main symbols of the Freemasons. And notice how everything on the bill is inside circles, which represnt the reptile eyes.

Now there are many companies that have the symbols of freemasonry. CBS TV station has the reptile eye as its logo. So does Verichip(the chip that will be implanted to all the humans on earth so that they can be controlled)http://www.verichipcorp.com/ <---- look at thir logo its...the reptile eye. For the logos of many more companies go here http://www.whale.to/b/symbols_h.html Now, is that really a coincidence?

The New World Order is very close to completion and within a few years we will all be slaves(even more then we are now).
More info to come.

That was the funniest piece of crap i have ever seen in my life (video) do you think if this supposed group of ppl were actually real and planning on slaving all of us, they would give us all these clues, the last thing they would want is for us to know, flags have used stars for decades its a symbol everyone uses for the single fact that it attract attention and most of the things it showed were buisness which obviously they want attention to make money, the same thing with the triangle, i should make a video showing all these different things with the color red and show how they are a conspiracy LOL, dude i think ur just using a way to escape the reality of what has happened on thursday, ur starting to crack dude, and even if this all was true, and we were slaves and what not, fuck it ill go down beleiving in what i do and when i die, ill know i died the way i beleived, instead of always being paranoid and shit, im worried about the afterlife, and if this life is going to be all slavish and shit ill take it, but this is all crap, ppl find something and then make all these conspiracies about it, i think you need to watch the episode of south park that explains where all these 9/11 conspiracies came from LOL and dude if all this was true and all, bring it up in 4 months after we see if DREAM passes or not, cause im stressed out enough and for those looking for an answer will listen to your crap and get worried 2...

I'm not trying to debate anything lol. I was just stating my opinion. But since you insist LOL [as long as this doesn't get out of hand] I'll give you my explanations for these things that are strictly OPINIONS, not facts [even though they are derivatives of facts that I learned].


NATO: This is a military alliance created after WW2 during the scare of communism. There were originally 13 countries in NATO [hence the 13 on their symbol]. The only reason NATO is still standing is because of the MIC [Military Industrial Complex] consisting of national security companies such as Northrup, Boeing, Lockheed Martin, etc. These companies are part of the revolving door in Washington right now meaning that former senators and representatives that had tons of glory at their representative positions are now part of the Board of Directors in their respective companies and as a result still have tons of influence in Congress and the executive branch. The MIC keeps instigating wars [the companies aligned with NATO are also the companies that sold America the arms that they gave Afghanistan in the war against the Soviets in the 70s] and with all the influence the BoD in those companies still yield in Congress, representatives are more than eager to pass anything military related to make Americans think that the government is really securing our borders and our nation at large.


UN: The UN was also created after WW2. My problem with this being the ultimate plot with the Freemasons and Illuminati is that there was a precursor to the UN [The League of Nations] never took off because America didn't get into it. However, pretty much every nation that was in the League of Nations is currently in the UN, except of course US that is obviously in the UN right now. If the Freemason's had wanted to, wouldn't they have just compelled US entrance into the LoN during Wilson's time since it was only the Senate that needed to be overcome [mind you, with a change of only 7 votes against the treaty]? For a group that is supposed to control our representatives to vote the way they want them to, why would their objective [a one world government which is what Wilson intended the LoN to be] be defeated if they had all the power to change it? It's a logical fallacy all in of itself to even entertain the idea that a group this powerful would've let this important opportunity slip by especially when it was to everyone's knowledge that US presence would be the only way the LoN would've survived, not because of US power which at the time was pretty low but because LoN's chief architect President Woodrow Wilson would've most certainly become a leader in the organization and would've helped it thrive. Why would a group so powerful lose out on this opportunity?


The EU: If the EU is a conspiracy, explain to me why England has very different privileges as opposed to everyone else in the EU? The EU is an economic partnership, not a political one. If people were to read the actual treaty words, they would realize that the "political institution" in the EU charter is pretty much strictly limited to economic issues [immigration being included in these]. It can be up to anyone's interpretation of what a "one world government" actual is if it is void of political power.


I'm not a big symbolic person so my best guess on this would be "It looks pretty?" LOL...I'm not serious with that comment. I just doubt 33 people control the world. It seems like a fun, interesting idea but logically, I can't see how it can come to be. As for the Verichip, my cell phone has that EXACT SAME symbol on the off button. Does that mean that Samsung is controlled by the Freemasons? Hardly. I just honestly cannot subscribe to the conspiracy theories that people come out with. If you pay attention to them there are a lot of illogical [and by logic I mean the mathematical study of logic since mathematics of themes is what a lot of the Illuminati is about] "facts" that are made. For example, the "sign of the beast". That's all well and good if you believe in any type of Christianity. What if you subscribe to another world view however? A Hindu will not believe the claims that are made about the Illuminati. The "horned" symbol? Isn't that a symbol used in rock music? I have a Facebook picture that has me giving the "horned" symbol. My default pic on Myspace.com is me with the horned symbol. Does that make me Satan? Hardly. The numbers 112233 that are always spoken about in studies to the Illuminati are the most arbitrary numbers in the world. The reasoning they give is purely coincidental. Why is it that the reasons they give for choosing these numbers have nothing to do with each other? They are just randomly selected facts that tell you to multiply or divide by a certain number to get that number as your final product. If you divide 4 by 2 you will get 2 regardless of the reasons for why you chose those two particular numbers. They are not a sign of conspiracy at all.


I always thought the CBS symbol was a fish eye to be totally honest lol. I think people just make a big freakin' deal out of coincidences. Don't get me wrong, I have a bookshelf full of books on conspiracy theories [the Illuminati, Skull and Bones, 9/11, The JFK murder, the moon landing, Area 51, Roswell, Pearl Harbor, Amelia Earhart, Atlantis, the Nazis, "The Jewish Conspiracy", Chemtrail, The Vatican, Martians being covered by NASA, etc.] so obviously at one point in my life I truly believed these theories and "facts". I just have one piece of advice for people that subscribe to these theories: take a logic class and put these theories to the test. P,Q, R, S, T, and U will never come together. When you substitute the claims for the letters and logically figure them out, it will always end up as a logical fallacy, meaning it is a mass contradiction or just not possible because the variables cannot be either/or.


My last refutation: If the Freemasons are so powerful, why would they allow the diffusion of highly classified information in the internet? Wouldn't all this information be wiped out and the authors murdered? Don't tell me they can't find them because if they are so powerful, they should be able to find them like I can find Waldo in a "Where's Waldo?" book. If the mainstream media does not/ cannot report on their activities, why is the information so readily available on the internet or at your local Barnes and Noble? Pinochet in Chile murdered dissenters almost immediately without people finding out their relatives were murdered and presumed them "lost". If Pinochet can do that in his country, what makes you think all-mighty organizations like that cannot secretly kill the one's that release their information?


Oh, and the CFR? Bill O'Reilly and John Edwards [just to name two] are/were members of the CFR. Why is it that these people are so revered when it is easily accessible for people to read about their "unpatriotic" and "treasonous" deeds? Oh, right, because of voters not voting for them [in Edwards case anyway]? But wait, Bush didn't really even win these two elections according to the sources you gave. Why wouldn't these organizations want their trustees in power?


Just my two cents. hehe

Oh wow I missed your "world army" analysis of NATO and the UN. NATO is exclusive to certain countries so it is hardly a "world army". The UN army is pretty laughable since first off, there are so little troops that the US Army alone can destroy them in 10 minutes flat, and secondly, the UN army is composed of many different nations that have allegiances to their own respective nations more so than to the UN. Read the UN charter and the section on "State Sovereignty" and how nothing can pass the UN if it infringes on ANY countries' right to control its own borders [for example, the popular Bush not getting UN support for the Iraqi War that liberals are always using against him]. The UN is cracking more and more everyday. To say the UN is going to become the new world government is so wrong that it is enough to make anyone stray away from a lot of the "facts" on the Freemasons controlling the world.

Hopefuldreamer heres the thing. I know that many people will not believe in this, but that is exactly the thing that government wants. They are having fun with this. They know that it is so absurd that not many will believe this. I hope you start believing before they implant a verichip against your will, because then it might be too late.

Why should I believe something that sounds a lot like an X-Men comic book? There's a kid in my American History class that says that he was a cameraman during 9/11 and tried to make me believe in all his garbage about it being a conspiracy. He couldn't even back up his claim except for "I was there I know".


You'll realize that this is all garbage when you start to really get into it. I'll FedEx you all my books even lol. Look at it objectively and tell me that this is true. It's funny how people believe in theories that pot-smokers [read up on who Alex Jones REALLY is] make up. I'm not trying to put you down [especially since I used to be so into it myself] I'm just saying that claiming everything is a conspiracy by citing biased sources and questionable authors that only reiterate what you believe in and try to scare people into believing your claims without giving ANY proof at all is kind of weird and will only stray people away from the belief. Tell me that my explanations were wrong and why and then maybe I'll look into those websites again. For now, they are just fantasy.


Funny thing about the Verichip actually; people on Facebook are saying Rudy Giuliani is planning on putting an RFID on everyone once he gets into office. Turns out that its just the "REAL ID" thing that he was talking about. See how things get blown out of proportion? I agree with REAL ID since almost every country in the world has a national idea [I have one from my own native country]. If you don't, what do you have to hide? It's not infringing on any right or liberty you have.


And what exactly will you do when they try to "implant a verichip against your will"? Revolt? Right. You'll just make it easier for them to just shoot you in the head and end everything right there. Knowing things [assuming these things are true] will NOT differentiate from the general public. You don't know when anything is going to happen as much as anyone else knows. These groups would have already killed you and me because we "know too much".


Do you also believe in the "Da Vinci Code" theories? They are very similar. Dan Brown even has a book called "The Illuminati" which is a masterpiece of fictional literature. You kind of sound brainwashed with all this information. The theorists that are behind the Illuminati and such have high followings in cults and covens. Don't fall too much into this stuff before you kill yourself drinking Kool-Aid and wearing Nikes. j/k. I myself thought that my teacher was in the Freemason's because she carried a pyramid pendant on her necklace. Turns out it was a souvenir from Egypt with a receipt to prove it. lol. Don't get too paranoid because you're going to get sick in the brain. Just some advice. =/

K Hopeful. Watch these 7 part videos that take less than an hour on youtube, and then tell me that there is no conspiracy.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hnpFfBMgf...elated&search=

This is part 1. You will find parts 2-6 on the side bar.

P.S. - Exactly their motto "What do you have to hide" This is how they get to destory ALL you liberties as a human being. Now watch the videos

I don't want to see videos made by some random person who I don't even know and won't even put their names on their media presentations. I'm want hard core solid facts. Why is this person not dead if he/she is using COMPUTER TECHNOLOGY that can easily be tracked down to them? Where is the guy that made these youtube videos? Why hasn't he been silenced since obviously that's what the Elite would do if their info got out? I mean, there's so many questions that NO ONE can answer.


Also, it seems this dude is a rabid anti-antisemitic. He has a playlist called "Jewish Murder Rituals". This is not someone you should believe.