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10-03-2013, 06:50 PM
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No it isn't. ACA was out in place to effectively make available health insurance to those who couldn't/didn't have any coverage prior. It's subsidized by the government for its citizens. Having a driver's license is not a public means benefit. DACA recipients can't collect unemployment, correct? Same concept.
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10-03-2013, 08:52 PM
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No it isn't. ACA was out in place to effectively make available health insurance to those who couldn't/didn't have any coverage prior. It's subsidized by the government for its citizens. Having a driver's license is not a public means benefit. DACA recipients can't collect unemployment, correct? Same concept.
I disagree. Since the benefit is available to Deferred Action recipients other than DACA, it's not a citizen-only deal. Green card holders are not citizens, yet they can participate in the exchange.

This policy effectively creates DACA recipients as a class separate than other deferred action recipients, which is what Brewer had been arguing all along. She denied DL to DACA recipients while allowing issuance to other deferred action guys, arguing that DACA is different.

Ironically Brewer now extends the denial of DL to ALL deferred action recipients to avoid charges of discrimination. If Brewer is engaging in discrimination by singling out DACA guys, then Obama administration is doing the exact same thing. This is discrimination regardless to who committed it.

Deferred action is deferred action, whether it's extended to DREAMERs or victims of domestic violence or asylum seekers or victims of human trafficking. To treat it otherwise is discrimination.
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I agree with Cloudless, because it seems that the language of the Administrative Ruling discriminates with those who receive Deferred Action and those with DACA. Those with deferred action unrelated to DACA can apply for benefits; which are denied to those with DACA.

It may have been motivated due to the fact that the Administration did not want to seem to be giving benefits to recipients of a program that deems to be circumventing Congressional power. And giving Republicans an ideological point against Dreamers.
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It may have been motivated due to the fact that the Administration did not want to seem to be giving benefits to recipients of a program that deems to be circumventing Congressional power. And giving Republicans an ideological point against Dreamers.
Giving ideological point against Dreamers? They are already against Dreamers and ACA. The Republican party is controlled by ideologues who can see dreamers as nothing but illegals and ACA as nothing but evil incarnate. The current shutdown is proof of that. Obama should never pre-negotiate with this bunch, because his gestures are never appreciated and he ends up having to cede more ground when they act up, like this time.

Having DACA beats getting deported, but it's tough when you can't drive and can't have access to affordable healthcare.
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The other deferred action categories were created through the legislative -- not executive -- branch.
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The other deferred action categories were created through the legislative -- not executive -- branch.
No, neither one is created by Congress. Deferred Action, Deferred Enforced Departure, and now DACA were all created by the executive branch. They are all prosecutorial discretions.

The law can never say that an offense must be punished, it can only say 'punishable'. The reason is that it's impossible for the prosecutor to prosecute all criminals, either due to resource limitation or community interest or plain common sense. If the law says certain offense must be punished, then the prosecutor's failure to pursue it must be punished as well. Nobody wants to be a prosecutor then.

Prosecutor's freedom to choose who to charge and who to let go is called prosecutorial discretion. Deferred Action recipients are formally free from prosecution (deportation) because the prosecutor (the president) has formally decided to defer the action for a set amount of time.
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I do not care if i am covered or not. I just don not want to be fined for not having insurance.
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