"Selfish" Dreamers

Hello fellow dreamers!


I was on Facebook the other day and I happen to follow FWD.US which is the organization started by, Facebook co-founder, Mark Zuckerberg. Their main goal is to have the immigration reform passed.

I was shocked by a few people that commented on posts, they described us (Dreamers) as "selfish" and "ungrateful" of our parents sacrifices to bring us to U.S.A in order to build a better future. I couldn't ignore thinking about this. I would like to know your thoughts.

Well, a few months ago, when DACA was fresh, some dreamers here complained how DACA wasn't enough and that either give me green card or give me death was their only way. Something about its not their fault they were brought here so why should they be punished and its their parents fault. Ohhhh my favorite, they considered themselves to post slavery blacks of the 21th century and immigration reform is their civil rights movement and how hiring an illegal is as the same as having a slave.

I wish I could find those topics again

Funny you mention that because a couple days ago I found this video, Mark Zuckerberg seems to agree that it is in fact a "Civil Rights" Issue of our time.

Video: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...s-of-our-time/

just because he says that doesn't make him right and if you really want to think of this as your civil rights movement, then no not of our time, its not like an immigration reform hasn't happened ever as the civil rights that gave back rights to black people that they were denied even when the constitution gave them to them. Do you remember this guy named Reagan? Do you remember what he signed which a lot of people legal back in the 80s?

Making people legal isn't as huge as having rights from the start and being denied by racist white people

I think a lot of the younger dreamers are pretty selfish. I think part of it is because they're the gimmie gimmie generation but the bigger part is plain ignorance of the severity of their situation. They still don't have a clue how big of a gift DACA was and is.

Instead of saying "thank you for sparing me a horrible life of back breaking labor without a future", they were saying:"That's it?!? where is my green card!? We're not asking, we're demanding! In this country you have to demand what you want!"

Then when the immigration reform bill was introduced in the Senate. Instead of saying "That is a very good bill that will not only legalize everybody, but give my parents a pathway to citizenship and if I finish school, I can have my green card in a few years, I hope it passes", they were saying "I HAVE TO WAIT 5 YEARS TO GET MY GREEN CARD?! WHAT A LOAD OF SHIT! I WANT IT NOW! AND MY PARENTS WHO WILLINGLY BROKE THE LAW SHOULDN'T HAVE TO WAIT TO GET THEIRS.".

Well, I hope some reality has set in now. No matter whose fault, we are here and we are here without documents. We are in the wrong legally but dreamers at least have a moral standing. Just because the political winds may be shifting in our favor thanks to national elections doesn't mean we should forget just how badly we are fucked unless the laws change to legalize us.

I think the selfish people are the ones who are stubborn and keeps asking for CITIZENSHIP OR NOTHING. Compromise is the key to passing some sort of CIR, I'd rather see my parents in better working conditions than nothing at all. This whole 2nd rate citizenship argument is adajiweop.

oh yeah the whole second rate citizenship was hilarious as well.

I think they are referring to the attitude some Dreamers have that demand status for themselves, at the expense of status for their parents. Worse, some of them actually resent their parents for the predicament they're in. That's selfish and ungrateful.

My personal opinion is that illegal immigration is a human rights issue. Each and every single one of you is a human being. To deny basic protection and dignity simply because you were born in the wrong country and not possessing the right piece of paper is a form of discrimination. It is also a humanitarian issue, because kicking 11 million people out will create a humanitarian crisis of an unprecedented scale.

If I don't believe that it's a human right and humanitarian issue, I have nothing to support your position with. You are here against the law after you turned 18, and as a country with rule of law then you should be deported, plain and simple.

See, I don't get this, so basically being born in the wrong country is a human right issue, but this only applies to the 11 million people here and not the other 7 billion humans being not living in the USA.

Either you apply its a human right to be born into the "right" country to the entire world population or you don't. You don't pick and chose to whom that is applied to.


Very True!!


wait what.................. so if youre above 18 you should be deported from the country, plain and simple... but its a humanitarian issue NOT to deport 11 million people because its a human right to keep them here and a humanitarian issue but if you are agaisnt the law after turning 18 you should be deported from the country..........




how does this even make sense? Why dont you tell those 11 million people who are illegally they should be deported then?

I personally believe that the concept of nation-states is inherently racist. While the inequalities in the world today makes the concept of a borderless world impractical, it's still a worthy goal to shoot for. Change happens step by step, integrating the 11 million is just the first step, or maybe just a step, but it's heading to the right direction.

When black people got tired of the discrimination, they didn't suddenly march by the millions to Washington and suddenly got the Civil Rights Act passed. It was started by an old black lady who refused to give up her seat to a white guy.

If there is one thing that liberals and conservatives agree on, it's that the current immigration law is messed up.

Let me take a civil rights example again. Back in the early 60's discrimination was legal, it was part of the law passed by democratically elected representatives in the south. While it was completely legal and constitutional, nobody today can argue that those Jim Crow laws were right and just.

While we can't sustain a society without law and order, those laws have to change to reflect the current condition of the society. The 11 million are here because their contribution is needed by US economy. If USA has no use for them, then there wouldn't be jobs for them. Back when the recession started many undocs actually left when jobs dried up.

The feds didn't use to recognize same sex marriage, marijuana used to be illegal everywhere, but not today. The outdated immigration law should and will change. The new law must recognize that US employers need workers, and while deporting 11 million people is legal it's not right. Legality can't exist exclusively outside common sense and reason.