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06-13-2014, 01:16 PM
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Delete, Please.
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06-13-2014, 01:21 PM
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What are your thoughts on this? What do you think should be done about these people?

I hate feeling this because we were them many years ago. However, I think that this influx of illegal immigrants crossing over makes the situation worse for those of us who have been here for a decade or more. It adds fuel to the fire, and this influx of people will only reinforce the ideas of those who oppose immigration reform.
I agree with you on this.

These newcomers will destroy the CIR efforts. Also, the new comers will make our kids compete with the entire world for *limited* funding, for *limited* schooling, for *limited* jobs, etc.

They are not eligible for DACA. They cross the borders on their own will. They are different from most of the Dreamers who were brought here by the parents.
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06-13-2014, 01:57 PM
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You guys do realize you're starting to sound like those who oppose immigration reform?? They say the same about us. Whether or not you have daca and are able to work legally. Do you think you would be saying the same if you didn't have daca and this was two years ago?
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06-13-2014, 02:00 PM
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I agree with you on this.

These newcomers will destroy the CIR efforts. Also, the new comers will make our kids compete with the entire world for *limited* funding, for *limited* schooling, for *limited* jobs, etc.

They are not eligible for DACA. They cross the borders on their own will. They are different from most of the Dreamers who were brought here by the parents.
These children are crossing over at their own will?? Are you kidding me!!!!! These are children!! You think they want to cross over on their own because they can possibly weigh out the benefits it will have on their future? I cannot take you two seriously.
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These children are crossing over at their own will?? Are you kidding me!!!!! These are children!! You think they want to cross over on their own because they can possibly weigh out the benefits it will have on their future? I cannot take you two seriously.
The newcomers are officially called UNACCOMPANIED children. They not accompanied by anybody.

Therefore, the new comers are very different from most of the dreamers who were brought to the US by the parents.
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06-13-2014, 02:28 PM
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So what exactly do you think should be done?
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06-13-2014, 03:17 PM
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Like I said- I feel bad for these feelings I have, but they are not like us. We have established ourselves here, along with our families, we've been here for a long time. I think it is unfair for them to be offered shelter etc. It's like they are getting asylum. Years back they would not have done this for us. it just seems like a slap in the face to the rest of us.

Also, how in the world are unaccompanied children going to survive/establish themselves here? They won't have the means to do so-they will want welfare, and in turn they will likely turn to crime as a means of supporting themselves. That's usually the way it goes, not only for illegal children but also for legal children without guidance.
What about those immigrants who followed the proper procedures to become legal immigrants in this country? Who waited in line and waited before coming to America? Don't you think we were a slap in the face for them? I see that daca has also granted you this feeling of superiority rather than compassion and understanding for those who are now in the position we were in. Shelter?! You don't think these children deserve shelter? You think that because you were not granted such things, that these children definitely don't deserve any help? You are both a complete joke.

I acknowledge that a) these children should not have been sent here alone and b) that it is going to be used against us and may have a negative impact on passing immigration reform. Having said that, I don't believe that gives us the right to all of a sudden feel more "established" and more important than those children. We need to fix this problem but throwing such negative opinions towards these INNOCENT (yes, they are children, not adults) human beings shows how much of a hypocrite you are. I've put far too much energy into this thread.
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06-13-2014, 03:34 PM
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What about those immigrants who followed the proper procedures to become legal immigrants in this country? Who waited in line and waited before coming to America? Don't you think we were a slap in the face for them? I see that daca has also granted you this feeling of superiority rather than compassion and understanding for those who are now in the position we were in. Shelter?! You don't think these children deserve shelter? You think that because you were not granted such things, that these children definitely don't deserve any help? You are both a complete joke.

I acknowledge that a) these children should not have been sent here alone and b) that it is going to be used against us and may have a negative impact on passing immigration reform. Having said that, I don't believe that gives us the right to all of a sudden feel more "established" and more important than those children. We need to fix this problem but throwing such negative opinions towards these INNOCENT (yes, they are children, not adults) human beings shows how much of a hypocrite you are. I've put far too much energy into this thread.

I think you need to be more realistic! You need to give priority to this country first before you consider other countries. You need to give priority to your own kids first before you consider kids from other countries.

The country we are living in cannot afford to feed the kids of the ENTIRE world. I do have sympathy for these unaccompanied kids. However, that does not mean the US as a country needs to feed them (temporarily, maybe!). They have their OWN COUNTRY to take care of them. If you think this country of the US should feed the children of the entire planet, you are too mean to this country of the US and you are too mean to your own kids/future generations.

Finally, not all kids are innocent. There are also suicide bombers who are kids/children. Stop being naive! Be realistic!
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06-13-2014, 03:43 PM
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I think those kids are hurting our cause at the worst possible time. Maybe in a grand scheme of things those kids and us are not so different, but the way I see it, there are a lot of differences between what most of us have gone through and them.

Many of us actually tried the legal way and fell through the immigration cracks. My own story is pretty unique which I won't go into detail now, but our goal was never to willingly break the law and come here. Circumstances just made it that way as was the case for visa overstayers and others who actually tried the right way and the their parents were left with a choice of going back or staying. Even the ones who were brought here illegally mostly came with their parents with intention of doing what's best for their family.

In the process, many of us have waited 10 years, 20 years, or 28 years in my case for any kind of legal relief with little success. FINALLY after many rallies and pleading our cases with anybody who would listen, there was some talk or reform a few years ago and finally there was a little bit of hope that something might be done provided the border is secure.

Now, after waiting this long, these kids are sent by their parents into a dangerous situation and unashamedly admit they're here because they heard there was free green cards. Those parents not only sent their kids with the risk of them getting killed along the way, but also put all of us at risk. For that, I have no sympathy. The political landscape is much different than it was in 1987 when a lot of us were brought here.

I can promise you this, if I would have been brought here today, with all the anti-immigration talk, there is no way my parents would have let me stay, much less push me through the desert in June. What kind of a parent does that?
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