Does using a fake SSN hurt an american citizen? - Page 2

You should read that link I posted above

We're undocumented and illegally in the United States.

Companies hired him, didn't check his status, and he got paid using an SSN that is invalid, but in his name. That means that he did not steal any person's identity. You say "defrauding in an illegal way" but he and we are illegally here in the first place and there was no alternative available to him at that moment.

He did what he had to do to survive. If you or your parents worked without legal documents, then you worked illegally. None of it is cool, nobody is giving him a medal of honor. People do what they have to do to eat.

Going back to the question, he did not hurt an American citizen.

As piano stated earlier, using a fake SSN is the least of immigration's worries. My wife had worked with a fake SSN for 7 years before she received DACA. She used her tax returns and pay stubs as proof that she was in the country when she applied for DACA. Through that process and getting her green card, not once was she asked how she got employed or what fake SSN did she use. It really is the least of their worries. In a way they kind of understand that mostly all illegal immigrants who don't get paid under the table use a SSN that does not belong to them.

Quote so. Severan here for some reason thinks there's illegal aliens , and there's ILLEGAL aliens totally different than him. At the end of the day we are all illegal here

Apples and oranges. Using a stranger's SSN can cause problems for them - produce tax liabilities they didn't know they had, etc. Using one's own SSN doesn't hurt anybody and the IRS gladly will take that money. It is his SSN, but he is not authorized to work here which brings us back to the whole being undocumented thing. What he did is about as wrong as him being here without documents in the first place so unless you're here legally then you're not all that better. It's wrong for you to be here without documents! Fraud!

My parents are from the UK (illegally) and my grandparents from Germany but I am still in the same situation as you so you can just stop there. I have the same issues you have just without a racial component... so stop

Do you ever thoroughly read before posting? I never said his SSN was fake, though I did mention he has used fake documents, which is true. I even mentioned he had doctored an SSN card and that I didn't know his current situation. I wasn't sure if IamAman realized Vargas has gone to certain measures -- and that he has publicly admitted doing so. He has lied in more ways than one but I think most of us understand why. In addition the whole fake id versus someone else's ssn argument is just poor. At this point with everything else he has done that distinction is almost meaningless in this regard.

Soo whats the big deal here? This is what I am trying to understand here sport, help me out

Yes sport, help me out. What is the big deal here?

OP asked about fake SSNs and I can understand where he's coming from -- using a fake SSN or someone else's does seem serious. But at the same time, we're all struggling with our status and its limitations and I think we can empathize with each other.

I didn't appreciate IamAman's original reply, especially the fact that he was attacking the OP for posting something "potentially libelous." (Okay, seriously? We're on an internet forum. No one is going to sue OP for his post, and least of all Vargas.) IamAman came across as quite defensive and I wasn't sure if he knew Vargas has admitted to using fake documents in the past so I wanted to clarify that. Again, I never said Vargas used a fake SSN -- I knew he'd used various fake documents and that he had doctored an SSN card. I'm not entirely sure why you and IamAman decided to then attack me after failing to clearly read my post.

In any case, I think kabs puts the whole "defrauding" thing best:

so you took iamman answers personally or more than the rest of us. OP came out making this jose guy look like a typical ssn stealer who has committed the worst of crimes. The ultimate thing an illegal can do and everyone who has done that is doing the most of illegal things. There is a difference between fake ssn you know using one that stole or fake. And one where you doctored words on top of an ssn assigned to you.



I can see where I am a man is coming from. It wasn't until I posted Jose article that OP knew what was going on. And still made it seem like the worst thing ever.