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Does using a fake SSN hurt an american citizen? - Page 4

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What would be his damages? He is not here legally. How can he sue anyone..

Also, this is the internet. If I said Lou Dobbs is a whore on this forum, would that also be libel?
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wait if people here are illegally they can't sue for wrong doings done to then....?

Is really what youre saying?

Damages would slander
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I don't know that the courts are at the disposal of Vargas... he has no status within the court system. Also, this is an internet chat. He would have to prove damages as a result of an internet chat, which is almost impossible.

Slander and libel are not the same thing. Slander is spoken, not written.
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What would be his damages? He is not here legally. How can he sue anyone..

Also, this is the internet. If I said Lou Dobbs is a whore on this forum, would that also be libel?
I swear, sometimes I think I'm arguing with 12 year olds. Being here legally and having the ability to sue are two separate issues. You can't run over and injure illegals and then say "well, they can't sue me...they're not even supposed to be here!"

If you say Lou Dobbs is a whore on this forum, that can be interpreted as you thinking he is a media whore, or your general opinion of him. If you said "I saw Lou Dobbs take money from a prostitute" and you are someone who generates enough buzz about it to where people think it's a true story then you're god damn right he can come after you.

Here are a couple of examples:

couple sues and wins against anonymous internet posterhttp://abcnews.go.com/Business/jury-...ry?id=16194071

Recently Jesse Ventura, former governor and wrestler sued the estate of a dead national hero Navy Seal and won because in his book, he had accused Ventura of something that Ventura said was incorrect and hurt his reputation. http://www.twincities.com/localnews/...led-reasonable

Whether someone takes action on your defamation of them is irrelevant.
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I don't know that the courts are at the disposal of Vargas... he has no status within the court system. Also, this is an internet chat. He would have to prove damages as a result of an internet chat, which is almost impossible.

It does not matter what status you have on this country, if you can bring enough evidence, you can sue anyone if you can prove they have done you harm. And proving stuff over the internet happens all the time like that case IamMan posted, people post stuff on twitter and get sue over it.



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You then put yourself at risk for deportation, by being seen as a leech of the court system.

I sincerely doubt anyone can sue anyone for saying Lou Dobbs takes money from whores, anymore than you can sue "birthers" who lie saying Obama was born in Indonesia or whatever. No one would support an illegal immigrant trying to sue someone. Look at what happened to the fat cross eyed guy from latin america who tried to sue EMS who rescued him from the flooded car. Just read the comments section..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBV6uEjL-OQ

I am quite sure that Vargas would be ridiculed too, for suing for libel because his reputation as an illegal was in jeopardy.. hah.
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Many prominent undocumenteds like Jose Antonio Vargas work by using a fake SSN -- presumably someone else's SSN for it to be valid. Tons of people have been doing this with impunity for years.

My question is: does this hurt the American citizen who belongs to that SSN? I would have to imagine it does; it must screw up their tax returns with the IRS, credit reporting, and other things. How can someone like Vargas in good conscious do such a thing? It is identity theft, essentially, but I have seen dreamers on here admit to using one as if it were not a big deal and some asking how to obtain one.

What do you make of this? Is it right or wrong?
I think it if was using another person's SSN then it's morally wrong especially if misusing such as opening and abusing a credit line, using that identity when caught by cops recklessly driving or something. Unless person is dead the owner of the SSN can actually benefit from it since it's two people working for one SSN. More SSN money for retirement man! lol
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You then put yourself at risk for deportation, by being seen as a leech of the court system.

I sincerely doubt anyone can sue anyone for saying Lou Dobbs takes money from whores, anymore than you can sue "birthers" who lie saying Obama was born in Indonesia or whatever. No one would support an illegal immigrant trying to sue someone. Look at what happened to the fat cross eyed guy from latin america who tried to sue EMS who rescued him from the flooded car. Just read the comments section..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBV6uEjL-OQ

I am quite sure that Vargas would be ridiculed too, for suing for libel because his reputation as an illegal was in jeopardy.. hah.

If its a small claims court if you lose you pay for court fees. Yeah this person sue and it was dumb and everyone made fun of him. That doesn't mean he can't sue. Even if he's deported after wards. he can still bring up a case. Being illegal is another different matter handled by ICE and their own court ruling. You know if Youre court ordered to leave the USA by certain time.




There as case where an illegal alien was found with a gun, he was arrested and about to deported so before he was. He sue the government because he believe under the second admenment
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