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#41
09-08-2014, 06:06 PM
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I fail to understand how a group of people who should not even be in this country think that the President should stop everything and only address what they want.

Yes, the decision to delay is political but guess what, complaining and being babies about it isn't going to get him to act any sooner. To the people on this forum that are claiming that he made promises to do things, people make promises all the time but often they fail to deliver because the choose not to or outside circumstances prevent them from doing so. When you say "But, but he promised", you sound like a whiny baby who thinks they should get everything. If I promise you the whole world and a billion dollars by tomorrow and I fail to give it to you, are you going to act the same way? Be realistic and understand that elected officials make promises all the time but often fail to deliver. Easy solution to this is to not build false hope on elected official's promises.

Yes, he had a super majority the first two years, but do you really expect him and the democrats to disregard all of the problems facing American citizens i.e economy, war, etc. to deal with matters that effect a population that shouldn't even be in this country? If so, you must be insane because doing that would have be political suicide.

For people like Demise who may not have taken an economics class, adding millions of people to the eligible workforce will increase unemployment while also increasing underemployment and causing lower wages. Thinking about if I own a company and I have the option of hiring US citizen at $25.00 an hour or I can hire a work authorized immigrant who will just be happy with a job at $15.00 an hour, want to guess who I am going to hire?

People seem to think the president can wave his magic wand and everything he wants can be done, guess what? He can't. He cannot force congress to act on anything. You can blame Obama all you want to breaking his promises on EO but remember that there is a whole another party that promised CIR but failed to deliver unless you for some reason see those promises differently.

Ultimately, there is a constitution and a political system that combine to limit when and what the president can do and expecting his to disregard either/both of these in order to roll out another red carpet for illegals is asinine. If you are so concerned with being able to work and live like a citizen in a country, then go back to your own country or another country. Don't use the excuse, you cannot go back and it would be hard to live there, there are dozens of flights out of this country each and every day to hundreds of destinations that you could take. Short of doing that, stop the sense of entitlement whether you gained it yourself or gained it as a result of the "promises" the president made, and accept the reality that you take what you can get when you have no say in that matter.

FWIW I am very critical about the President and many of his decisions but I also understand that there are limitations to what and when he can act.
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09-08-2014, 06:25 PM
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I fail to understand how a group of people who should not even be in this country think that the President should stop everything and only address what they want.

Yes, the decision to delay is political but guess what, complaining and being babies about it isn't going to get him to act any sooner. To the people on this forum that are claiming that he made promises to do things, people make promises all the time but often they fail to deliver because the choose not to or outside circumstances prevent them from doing so. When you say "But, but he promised", you sound like a whiny baby who thinks they should get everything. If I promise you the whole world and a billion dollars by tomorrow and I fail to give it to you, are you going to act the same way? Be realistic and understand that elected officials make promises all the time but often fail to deliver. Easy solution to this is to not build false hope on elected official's promises.

Yes, he had a super majority the first two years, but do you really expect him and the democrats to disregard all of the problems facing American citizens i.e economy, war, etc. to deal with matters that effect a population that shouldn't even be in this country? If so, you must be insane because doing that would have be political suicide.

For people like Demise who may not have taken an economics class, adding millions of people to the eligible workforce will increase unemployment while also increasing underemployment and causing lower wages. Thinking about if I own a company and I have the option of hiring US citizen at $25.00 an hour or I can hire a work authorized immigrant who will just be happy with a job at $15.00 an hour, want to guess who I am going to hire?

People seem to think the president can wave his magic wand and everything he wants can be done, guess what? He can't. He cannot force congress to act on anything. You can blame Obama all you want to breaking his promises on EO but remember that there is a whole another party that promised CIR but failed to deliver unless you for some reason see those promises differently.

Ultimately, there is a constitution and a political system that combine to limit when and what the president can do and expecting his to disregard either/both of these in order to roll out another red carpet for illegals is asinine. If you are so concerned with being able to work and live like a citizen in a country, then go back to your own country or another country. Don't use the excuse, you cannot go back and it would be hard to live there, there are dozens of flights out of this country each and every day to hundreds of destinations that you could take. Short of doing that, stop the sense of entitlement whether you gained it yourself or gained it as a result of the "promises" the president made, and accept the reality that you take what you can get when you have no say in that matter.

FWIW I am very critical about the President and many of his decisions but I also understand that there are limitations to what and when he can act.
You just sound like a conformist little girl .
Goverment isn't doing it's job. Period.
He doesn't have to wave a magic wand he can use a pen and EO it.
We all have a say in the matter, actually. Who are you to say we don't? You need a reality check or some more self esteem.
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09-08-2014, 08:17 PM
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You just sound like a conformist little girl .
Goverment isn't doing it's job. Period.
He doesn't have to wave a magic wand he can use a pen and EO it.
We all have a say in the matter, actually. Who are you to say we don't? You need a reality check or some more self esteem.
Conformist? Haha no, I have bent so many rules (not immigration related) to get to where I am, conforming to the status quo is no where near me, but nice try with the attempt to insult me .

The government is not doing it's job in many regards but all you seem to care about it what benefits you and your family (immigration). What about the hundreds of other issues that government has to deal with, do those need to get pushed aside because of what you want?

Explain to me how you have a say in what the leader of a country you aren't even suppose to be in does?

Lastly, it is not that I need a reality check but rather you and the rest that are whining about the delay need a reality check. The facts are politicians in theory address matters that their voters (American citizens) care about. While currently they do not address matters their voters care about, even if they did, CIR or positive immigration reform is not what a significant majority of the citizens want.

Oh on self esteem, I have plenty of it, thanks for asking! I know exactly what I am worth. Self-esteem is why I refused to settle for any job besides what I do now and make $80k (likely $125k a year after bonus) fresh out of college.

Answer this question, why do you and your family deserve more EO's on immigration?
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09-08-2014, 08:29 PM
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You just sound like a conformist little girl .
Goverment isn't doing it's job. Period.
He doesn't have to wave a magic wand he can use a pen and EO it.
We all have a say in the matter, actually. Who are you to say we don't? You need a reality check or some more self esteem.
maybe that little girl is too little to understand the meaning of a word "promise" among responsible adults and how it stands in the way of president's mouth. Once it repeats, it lose all its credibility. Legit men don't talk too much, only a little girl does.
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09-08-2014, 09:24 PM
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[B[/b]QUOTE=moby;540387]maybe that little girl is too little to understand the meaning of a word "promise" among responsible adults and how it stands in the way of president's mouth. Once it repeats, it lose all its credibility. Legit men don't talk too much, only a little girl does.[/quote]

Clearly reading is something you can do well. Please see my above post that highlights that I am a working college grad.


Also I love how all the responses have been personal attacks versus fact based arguments. BTW I am a 22 year old man so your little girl attacks are meaningless.
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wait


I often write long posts, a year ago I would be debating some side but now, I am think I am done with that
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I often write long posts, a year ago I would be debating some side but now, I am think I am done with that
I agree with you man. Besides, the answers would be the same...

If people are worried about security, then the best thing to do is to pass reform.

If people are worried about the economy, then the best thing is to pass reform.

If people are worried about jobs (we are nearly at full employment by the way), then the best thing to do is to pass reform so that immigrants, who are entrepreneurs, can create jobs.
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The best thing to do is to pass reform, or in the absence of it, an executive order.
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The only reason why it became personal is because you called a group of people expressing their views babies, little girl.
Simply put, reform and EO fall perfectly in line with ideals that democratic have sided with, and hence look to get support from people that support those ideas.
Yeah we're not citizens , but we do have political pull, because many of us have ties with our communities.
Also independent studies show reform is the best thing to do in many aspects.
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The only reason why it became personal is because you called a group of people expressing their views babies, little girl.
Simply put, reform and EO fall perfectly in line with ideals that democratic have sided with, and hence look to get support from people that support those ideas.
Yeah we're not citizens , but we do have political pull, because many of us have ties with our communities.
Also independent studies show reform is the best thing to do in many aspects.
Severity, I thought you were literally a woman this whole time. My bad dude. Anyways forget this guy.
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Not that it makes a difference lol but yeah I'm a dude.
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