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President Obama spars with Jorge Ramos on Immigration

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12-11-2014, 04:04 AM
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President Barack Obama and Fusion anchor Jorge Ramos went head-to-head on Tuesday over the deportation of millions of undocumented immigrants in the years leading up to the president's recent decision to excercise executive action on immigration policy.

The debate heated up when Ramos asked why, if the president believed he had always possessed the authority to use executive powers, he had not done so sooner. The anchor implied that Obama might have flip-flopped on the issue of immigration.

"You always had the legal authority to stop deportations, then why did you deport two million people?" Ramos asked, adding, after Obama protested, that he had "destroyed many families" and that they referred to him as "deporter-in-chief."

"You called me deporter-in-chief," Obama shot back.

The president also accused Ramos of suggesting that there was a "simple" and "quick" solution to the problem -- a charge Ramos denied -- and challenged the anchor to present clearly to his viewers the information regarding immigration policy.

"When you present it in that way, it does a disservice, because it makes the assumption that the political process is one that can easily be moved around, depending on the will of one person and that’s now how things work," Obama said. "So the question I have for you, Jorge, because you’re going to have a big voice, is are you going to do a good job in, now that we’ve taken these actions, making sure that people understand what their opportunities are, how we can take advantage of it, and how we can build to make sure that going forward."

Ramos, who was born in Mexico City and immigrated to the U.S. after coming to the country as a student in 1983, has long been one of the most outspoken supporters of immigration reform in America. This July, as the nation was in the process of deporting thousands of children fleeing violence-stricken countries in Central America, Ramos came to their defense in a powerful speech admonishing GOP leadership. Winner of the 2014 Burton Benjamin Memorial Award for "lifetime achievement in defending press freedom," he has spoken out about the importance for journalists to challenge presidents and "annoy those in power."
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How come Ramos the tough guy doesn't interview people who you know, actually vote against immigration reform like Ted Cruz and John Cornyn, or John Boehner who let a perfectly good reform bill die on the floor of the house? Why are they going after the only guy who has actually gotten on TV in prime time several times and asked for a bill and took action on it? Yeah Obama had the power to write an Executive order the minute he got there, but if you think the political landscape is bad now, think of how bad it would have been after that and he wouldn't have passed anything else that as president he wanted to pass.
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How come Ramos the tough guy doesn't interview people who you know, actually vote against immigration reform like Ted Cruz and John Cornyn, or John Boehner who let a perfectly good reform bill die on the floor of the house? Why are they going after the only guy who has actually gotten on TV in prime time several times and asked for a bill and took action on it? Yeah Obama had the power to write an Executive order the minute he got there, but if you think the political landscape is bad now, think of how bad it would have been after that and he wouldn't have passed anything else that as president he wanted to pass.
And what good will that do? We're talking about people that would sacrifice their own children as long as it would mean that CIR doesn't pass. Obama is inconsistent on immigration and its due time someone called him in, and told him "the fuck man?".
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And what good will that do? We're talking about people that would sacrifice their own children as long as it would mean that CIR doesn't pass. Obama is inconsistent on immigration and its due time someone called him in, and told him "the fuck man?".
Obama before election: I support immigration reform and pathway to citizenship
Obama during presidency: I support immigration reform and pathway to citizenship, and I'll do what no other president has done so far and enact DACA
Obama on the tail end of his presidency: I support immigration reform and pathway to citizenship and since nobody else is doing it the permanent way, I'll give some more people relief.

Seems pretty consistent. Republicans say they're for it but then don't do anything. This Jorge person is going after the only person who has helped us in 1986. He's the only one. Clinton made life harder in 1996, Bush made life a lot harder, and in between, all the governors made life harder and harder. Obama is the only one who has helped us and we have Jorge taking easy shots at him. If he wants to show he's a tough reporter, go hound Marco Rubio in Spanish and English. Make him answer for his lies.
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I think Ramos was out of line, for f***k's sake give em props for expanding deferred action.
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I think Ramos was out of line, for f***k's sake give em props for expanding deferred action.
It's reporters' job to be out of line and push some buttons. Everyone should be checked from time to time lol.
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Obama before election: I support immigration reform and pathway to citizenship
Obama during presidency: I support immigration reform and pathway to citizenship, and I'll do what no other president has done so far and enact DACA
Obama on the tail end of his presidency: I support immigration reform and pathway to citizenship and since nobody else is doing it the permanent way, I'll give some more people relief.
Let me fix that for you:
Obama before elections:
Dream Act now, CIR within 100 days.

Obama during the first 2 years:
We need CIR repeated like a mantra, one vote for Dream Act in the lame duck session. Nothing when Dems were holding an ultra-majority. 1.5 years wasted on ACA.

Deportations reach record high.

Obama during the following 2 years:
-crickets- until the election season where immigrant groups were outright tired of nothing being done and nearly denounced him.
"Welllll.... I guess I cooooould do DACA. I swear its humanitarian and not meant to keep my ass in office".

Deportations still at record high.

Following 2 years:
Senate votes on CIR.
House as expected does nothing.
Obama delays further EA for over a year. Does it, it covers a relatively limited number of people, whereas he could definitely do more, he doesn't.

Deportations still at record high. I think that the government shut down in October of 2013 did more to halt active deportation proceedings than Obama did.

What will happen during the next two years:
Probably nothing. He'll go on univision as, of course, is tradition to say that we need CIR and that's about that.


You'd think that the first black guy in the white house would be so ultra liberal that Republicans will cringe just from hearing his name for years to come, but what we got is a complete centrist.

There is really a giant real of possibilities out there to pardon immigration violations, to grant parole, nunc pro tunc parole (essentially retroactively pardon someone into US deleting all their illegal presence), nunc pro tunc change of status, to completely gut IIRCA 1996, but it is simply not being done.

One of the things I hoped he'd announce in the last EA would be Parole-in-place to non-military relatives, didn't happen. He knows it exists, and he simply doesn't want it extended, even if it would be easier to justify than deferred action for people who happened to spawn offspring in US, and it would actually do more since EWI parents could then adjust status that way, instead of playing the pointless AP roulette.
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Let me fix that for you:
Obama before elections:
Dream Act now, CIR within 100 days.

Obama during the first 2 years:
We need CIR repeated like a mantra, one vote for Dream Act in the lame duck session. Nothing when Dems were holding an ultra-majority. 1.5 years wasted on ACA.

Deportations reach record high.

Obama during the following 2 years:
-crickets- until the election season where immigrant groups were outright tired of nothing being done and nearly denounced him.
"Welllll.... I guess I cooooould do DACA. I swear its humanitarian and not meant to keep my ass in office".

Deportations still at record high.

Following 2 years:
Senate votes on CIR.
House as expected does nothing.
Obama delays further EA for over a year. Does it, it covers a relatively limited number of people, whereas he could definitely do more, he doesn't.

Deportations still at record high. I think that the government shut down in October of 2013 did more to halt active deportation proceedings than Obama did.

What will happen during the next two years:
Probably nothing. He'll go on univision as, of course, is tradition to say that we need CIR and that's about that.


You'd think that the first black guy in the white house would be so ultra liberal that Republicans will cringe just from hearing his name for years to come, but what we got is a complete centrist.

There is really a giant real of possibilities out there to pardon immigration violations, to grant parole, nunc pro tunc parole (essentially retroactively pardon someone into US deleting all their illegal presence), nunc pro tunc change of status, to completely gut IIRCA 1996, but it is simply not being done.

One of the things I hoped he'd announce in the last EA would be Parole-in-place to non-military relatives, didn't happen. He knows it exists, and he simply doesn't want it extended, even if it would be easier to justify than deferred action for people who happened to spawn offspring in US, and it would actually do more since EWI parents could then adjust status that way, instead of playing the pointless AP roulette.
You keep saying deportations at record high as if it's a bad thing. Who was getting deported? How many dreamers do you know how got deported? It was mostly criminals and a few unlucky people who were at the wrong time and place. In the Bush years, every week there would be a work place raid. When was the last time you heard of one of those?

I think the anger at Obama is misplaced and if it comes from those who are enjoying DACA already, it's hypocritical and dishonest.
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I think the anger at Obama is misplaced and if it comes from those who are enjoying DACA already, it's hypocritical and dishonest.
This is what I been thinking since DACA and its coming from these self entitled dream puppies, small tiger cubs. Like, DACA wasnt enough to the nothing of a status you had before? Because thats what you had, you had nothing but w/e education, if you had that. DACA let you finally use your degree you ever so hard work for it, it allow you to provide a better means to your family, if not that, at least it has allow you to get a driver license and if thats not enough, it has allowed you to visit your dying (or sick or w/e excuse you made up) family members. I read a lot of "DACA isnt enough!!" there was even some person here who wrote an article saying Obama hadn't done enough or something like that.

Remember all the presidents before Obama who did nothing but make our situation worse?
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This is what I been thinking since DACA and its coming from these self entitled dream puppies, small tiger cubs. Like, DACA wasnt enough to the nothing of a status you had before? Because thats what you had, you had nothing but w/e education, if you had that. DACA let you finally use your degree you ever so hard work for it, it allow you to provide a better means to your family, if not that, at least it has allow you to get a driver license and if thats not enough, it has allowed you to visit your dying (or sick or w/e excuse you made up) family members. I read a lot of "DACA isnt enough!!" there was even some person here who wrote an article saying Obama hadn't done enough or something like that.

Remember all the presidents before Obama who did nothing but make our situation worse?
Band-aid on a torn off arm. Hey, it's something.
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