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Either you don't understand what the term being "set up to fail" means or you fail to realize that any DACA benefits are temporary. If a new president decides that they no longer want DACA, it can just as easily be terminated along with everything else it provides.
Before DACA: None of these EVER
No SSN
No driver license
No ability to work legally
Driving in fear of getting stopped and deported
No way of clearing EWI
No in state tuition

After DACA: Temporary
SSN
Driver license
Ability to work legally
No fear of getting deported
AP and ability to clear EWI
In state tution


And somehow it was set up for us fail?

So now youre saying, having absolutely nothing was better than having something temporarily?
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Before DACA: None of these EVER
No SSN
No driver license
No ability to work legally
Driving in fear of getting stopped and deported
No way of clearing EWI
No in state tuition

After DACA: Temporary
SSN
Driver license
Ability to work legally
No fear of getting deported
AP and ability to clear EWI
In state tution


And somehow it was set up for us fail?

So now youre saying, having absolutely nothing was better than having something temporarily?
Feel like the "you have something, it's better than nothing, stop whining" argument isn't that great here. There's still a sinking feeling of paranoia and fear for a lot of people because the future is unclear. Hillary's EmailGate is dragging her down fast, Trump is still a strong contender (but hopefully his tax return controversy will bring him down), and a lot of DREAMERs don't think Sanders will come through.

It's understandable to feel like this opportunity will come crashing down come this election, because all the candidates are all over the place, leaving a lot of uncertainty. It's not really a matter of "at least you have something", it's "but for how long?"

If the argument to this will be "How about you do something productive with what you have now instead of worrying about a future that hasn't happened yet and wasting your time?" - fair point. I think I can manage expending my energy for both, though. It's normal to worry, we'll get through this.
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If don't think DACA is enough we need more than you should give up DACA. Go back home and apply to enter here legally because no matter how much you think DACA isn't enough. There is nothing you can do change it. We are but beggars here and beggars can't chose.


What you can do is wait for congress to change your status because congress is the only entity that came and good luck with that. A few years ago we have more than a potential to be CIR plan and look how far that came to be. If trump or bernie win good luck to any CIR or DACA.


Saying

"DACA isn't enough it's was set up for us to fail" is the same as saying "DACA is useless why did I even apply for it? Sooner or later it's just going disappears we now live in a constant threat of DACA being removed which is 100 billion times worse than having no DACA where everyday we feared deportation"
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If don't think DACA is enough we need more than you should give up DACA. Go back home and apply to enter here legally because no matter how much you think DACA isn't enough. There is nothing you can do change it. We are but beggars here and beggars can't chose.


What you can do is wait for congress to change your status because congress is the only entity that came and good luck with that. A few years ago we have more than a potential to be CIR plan and look how far that came to be. If trump or bernie win good luck to any CIR or DACA.


Saying

"DACA isn't enough it's was set up for us to fail" is the same as saying "DACA is useless why did I even apply for it? Sooner or later it's just going disappears we now live in a constant threat of DACA being removed which is 100 billion times worse than having no DACA where everyday we feared deportation"
How do you apply legally?

Can you provide sources on how to apply legally?

Last time checked there is no apply legally unless you have a job sponsoring, rich, family petion, or loterry.

So please provide me sources where it says I can apply legally to the USA?

You're as ignorant as Trump. Doesn't even know the laws of immigration.

What a Trump supporter.
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did someone whose name is on a thread telling him to not reply, and who two times cried that he was done with me, just replied to me?
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did someone whose name is on a thread telling him to not reply, and who two times cried that he was done with me, just replied to me?
LOL Dude. Stop. Seriously just stop. You sound so stupid and playing the devil's advocate.

"Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining."

All of us who applied for DACA knew it was temporary in the hopes Dream Act or immigration reform would pass. Unfortunately, in all these years it still hasn't. Now reality is starting to snap back for people and we're realizing nothing is guaranteed.
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Does anyone feel DACA was set up for us to fail? At first, we were all excited about it, finally being able to feel "normal". Then, you get to the nit and gritty of things and suddenly it's no longer "peaches and cream". There are all these restrictions! I mean there's no path to citizenship. We still cannot apply for FAFSA, Obamacare or get certain jobs. Try traveling to another country without first applying for advance parole and let's see what happens. At any time or new president, this can all be taken away and then what? Will DACA recipients resort back to how things were before DACA or move out of the country? It only put a band-aid on a problem but never solved it. That's why people are feeling depressed because of this.
Personally I really appreciate what DACA has done for me.

I no longer have to shamefully say "I have no social security" when a person thinking I'm a citizen ask for it in order to get me a job. Back in high school and in middle school I always felt terrible saying "I have no social security" to the nurses, counselors, teachers etc... Worst of all was saying it in front of the class and have all of those assholes laugh at me.

When people ask me for an ID I am able to provide a legitimate ID instead of some random ID with my face on it. Best of all I am able to drive and legally apply for jobs.

If DACA is ever taken away from me. I will pack my bags and get out of this fucking country. I have dealt with being illegal before and I'm not going to deal with it again. I rather live in my sorry excuse for a country, than be treated like shit here for being illegal.
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. Now reality is starting to snap back for people and we're realizing nothing is guaranteed.
This isn't DACAs fault. This isn't their fault either.
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If don't think DACA is enough we need more than you should give up DACA. Go back home and apply to enter here legally because no matter how much you think DACA isn't enough. There is nothing you can do change it. We are but beggars here and beggars can't chose.


What you can do is wait for congress to change your status because congress is the only entity that came and good luck with that. A few years ago we have more than a potential to be CIR plan and look how far that came to be. If trump or bernie win good luck to any CIR or DACA.


Saying

"DACA isn't enough it's was set up for us to fail" is the same as saying "DACA is useless why did I even apply for it? Sooner or later it's just going disappears we now live in a constant threat of DACA being removed which is 100 billion times worse than having no DACA where everyday we feared deportation"
I'll have to disagree with you again here. Saying DACA isn't enough is not equivalent to saying it's useless. Everyone who's applied knows the benefits, and wants them. The problem comes with how fragile the system seems, especially in context of such a crazy election season.

And just because some of us think more could be done to expand the system and make it better doesn't mean we're better off picking up and leaving, lmao. Chyno has a valid point - immigration laws are pretty iron-tight, and the unlawful presence bans here are brutal. The consequences of "if you want more you should just leave and reapply legally" far outscale the benefits unless you have a very extensive and cushy safety net in your home country.

It's reasonable to remind us that we're still illegal in this country, and to some extent "undocumented" is just a buzzword, etc. DACA is better than nothing, you're right. You're also right in saying it's not the current administration's fault for the limits placed. It's a miracle Obama's accomplished it to begin with, really, given the party pushback he's had to endure through in Congress. Snaps for him.

It's also alright to think that it's not enough, because it isn't. You may disagree. That's okay. A lot of people got shafted, even if they were eligible. And again, current political tides make those worries seem more pronounced. I just don't think telling us to "go back home" if we want expansion is really a decent solution here, nor a reasonable one.

In other news, North Korea actually endorsed Trump. Birds of a feather, they say...
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I'll have to disagree with you again here. Saying DACA isn't enough is not equivalent to saying it's useless. Everyone who's applied knows the benefits, and wants them. The problem comes with how fragile the system seems, especially in context of such a crazy election season.

And just because some of us think more could be done to expand the system and make it better doesn't mean we're better off picking up and leaving, lmao. Chyno has a valid point - immigration laws are pretty iron-tight, and the unlawful presence bans here are brutal. The consequences of "if you want more you should just leave and reapply legally" far outscale the benefits unless you have a very extensive and cushy safety net in your home country.

It's reasonable to remind us that we're still illegal in this country, and to some extent "undocumented" is just a buzzword, etc. DACA is better than nothing, you're right. You're also right in saying it's not the current administration's fault for the limits placed. It's a miracle Obama's accomplished it to begin with, really, given the party pushback he's had to endure through in Congress. Snaps for him.

It's also alright to think that it's not enough, because it isn't. You may disagree. That's okay. A lot of people got shafted, even if they were eligible. And again, current political tides make those worries seem more pronounced. I just don't think telling us to "go back home" if we want expansion is really a decent solution here, nor a reasonable one.

In other news, North Korea actually endorsed Trump. Birds of a feather, they say...

Did you read what the poster said the one I am quoting this from?


Guy a comes and says DACA is set up for us to fail. Do you think that's true
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