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11-14-2016, 08:15 AM
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dude see this why you got banned last time. the guy is showing you evidence and this the only thing you can counterattack with?
Trump said there are 3 million criminals. He specifically said 3 million. He quantified. So let's break this down. There are 11 million undocumented. 3 million have criminal records. That's about 27% of the population. So the 73% of undocumented will not be affected.

73% do not have criminal records. 27% do have criminal records.

I wonder which one we fall on??? The 73 or the 27 %???

It doesn't take an electrical engineer to figure it out.

What the other person is doing is wasting my time. Really how do you define the word criminal?? Trump just did by saying and quantifying it.

Now piano tell me, should I really have wasted my time to explain this to him?
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It is not about respecting my opinion is about the lack of specific details about this so-called immigration bill.

For example, he said he will deport criminals only. Great.. but is his definition of "criminals"?


Source: https://twitter.com/WangCecillia/sta...01438357684224


Source: https://twitter.com/WangCecillia/sta...27897272971264


Source: https://twitter.com/Enrique_Acevedo/...29764190871552

Trump needs to clarify this, otherwise like stated in my source 3, all those who re-entered the country are considered criminals as well.
Alright piano convinced me. Just answer me this question. He quantifued the word criminal by saying 3 million people. So the other 8 million people undocumented are not criminals. Care to explain why or how can 8 million people not be criminals? According to you all of us should be criminals but Trump quantified the word criminal.
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Bear with me...I dislike Trump, he's the freaking worst candidate to have ever run and win an election. He will be a great puppet for the GOP establishment. I'm a political science major and political strategy is something that interests me greatly. With that in mind, I'm thinking the following will happen:

Trump will continue Obama's policies of deportation but will make it more public. To deny that President Obama's admin didn't deport millions of people under his tenure would be stupid. The lack of publicity on it was politically motivated as it would have made a dent in Latino support for Democrats. Trump will then take credit for this policy and its "success".

Trump will continue to implement the "technological" border fence policies of Bush and Obama and take credit for their success.

Now legislatively speaking, the GOP-controlled House and Senate can push for some sort of immigration reform. I think that based solely on the extreme opposition they have shown Obama in regards to passing such a legislation. Had CIR passed under Obama, Democrats would have cemented the Latino vote for generations. GOP strategists knew this and even though there is a large swath of the GOP lawmakers that support CIR with a path to legalization, preventing a victory for the Democrats was a must. Think about it, every piece of CIR was based on compromising to the GOP (border fence, harsh punishment and deportation of criminal aliens, legalization of people after fines and punishments and a decades-long path to citizenship). They had no legitimate grounds to oppose legislation other than political motivation.

With that in mind, I think that some bipartisan bill will pass in the next few years and the Republicans will take credit for it. Trump will claim to have secured the border and deported criminals (Obama and Bush policies) and the GOP-controlled congress will claim to have fixed the system.

As a result, we'll have uninformed morons like Chyno and other "dreamersforTrump" voting republican for the rest of their lives, oblivious to the fact that the GOP has been been messing with our lives solely so they can claim that they had always been on our side.
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Bear with me...I dislike Trump, he's the freaking worst candidate to have ever run and win an election. He will be a great puppet for the GOP establishment. I'm a political science major and political strategy is something that interests me greatly. With that in mind, I'm thinking the following will happen:

Trump will continue Obama's policies of deportation but will make it more public. To deny that President Obama's admin didn't deport millions of people under his tenure would be stupid. The lack of publicity on it was politically motivated as it would have made a dent in Latino support for Democrats. Trump will then take credit for this policy and its "success".

Trump will continue to implement the "technological" border fence policies of Bush and Obama and take credit for their success.

Now legislatively speaking, the GOP-controlled House and Senate can push for some sort of immigration reform. I think that based solely on the extreme opposition they have shown Obama in regards to passing such a legislation. Had CIR passed under Obama, Democrats would have cemented the Latino vote for generations. GOP strategists knew this and even though there is a large swath of the GOP lawmakers that support CIR with a path to legalization, preventing a victory for the Democrats was a must. Think about it, every piece of CIR was based on compromising to the GOP (border fence, harsh punishment and deportation of criminal aliens, legalization of people after fines and punishments and a decades-long path to citizenship). They had no legitimate grounds to oppose legislation other than political motivation.

With that in mind, I think that some bipartisan bill will pass in the next few years and the Republicans will take credit for it. Trump will claim to have secured the border and deported criminals (Obama and Bush policies) and the GOP-controlled congress will claim to have fixed the system.

As a result, we'll have uninformed morons like Chyno and other "dreamersforTrump" voting republican for the rest of their lives, oblivious to the fact that the GOP has been been messing with our lives solely so they can claim that they had always been on our side.
The democrats did the same. In 2009, there were some democrats that voted against or did not vote for the dream act.
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Now legislatively speaking, the GOP-controlled House and Senate can push for some sort of immigration reform. I think that based solely on the extreme opposition they have shown Obama in regards to passing such a legislation. Had CIR passed under Obama, Democrats would have cemented the Latino vote for generations. GOP strategists knew this and even though there is a large swath of the GOP lawmakers that support CIR with a path to legalization, preventing a victory for the Democrats was a must. Think about it, every piece of CIR was based on compromising to the GOP (border fence, harsh punishment and deportation of criminal aliens, legalization of people after fines and punishments and a decades-long path to citizenship). They had no legitimate grounds to oppose legislation other than political motivation.

With that in mind, I think that some bipartisan bill will pass in the next few years and the Republicans will take credit for it. Trump will claim to have secured the border and deported criminals (Obama and Bush policies) and the GOP-controlled congress will claim to have fixed the system.
Are you on crack?

The election was proof that the GOP can win the White House and Congress without the help of the Latino vote. There is even less incentive now to even initiate a CIR bill.

How many GOP leaders do you see condemning the violence, misogyny, racism, and xenophobia committed against immigrants days after the election? They do not care because as long as the Electoral College stands, winning the minority vote is apparently not all that critical to winning an election.
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Are you on crack?

The election was proof that the GOP can win the White House and Congress without the help of the Latino vote. There is even less incentive now to even initiate a CIR bill.

How many GOP leaders do you see condemning the violence, misogyny, racism, and xenophobia committed against immigrants days after the election? They do not care because as long as the Electoral College stands, winning the minority vote is apparently not all that critical to winning an election.
I wouldnt say the GOP knows they can win without the latino vote.

They got lucky people hate Hillary with a passion. If you look at the statistics it clearly shows the same republicans went out to vote, but for Hillary she did not get the same number of people as Obama did.

That is because people hate Hillary, so they rather not vote.
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The popular went with Hilary Chyno. You cannot continue to say people hate Hilary when she won the popular vote.

You can brag how Trump won the presidency but dont go around telling users here Hilary wasnt popular with the mass populate
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The popular went with Hilary Chyno. You cannot continue to say people hate Hilary when she won the popular vote.

You can brag how Trump won the presidency but dont go around telling users here Hilary wasnt popular with the mass populate
Show me where in my posts I said Hillary did not win the popular vote. Show me where I said she wasnt popular with the mass popualte?

Please show me.
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Chyno your logic there make no sense at all


Here is what you said earlier


"They got lucky because people hate Hilary with a passion" no Chyno they did not get lucky because the populate hated Hilary with a passion. Actually the people wanted Hilary as we can see in the popular vote numbers.


You can't bring these 3rd grade fallacies into picture to try to backpedal your way out of a corner.
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As I have said before, we could be considered criminals
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