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Will daca end or will it continue. - Page 4

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01-02-2017, 03:26 PM
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The repeal of DACA is not the end of the world. If we were able to survive without it before its implementation, we can survive again after its repeal.
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The repeal of DACA is not the end of the world. If we were able to survive without it before its implementation, we can survive again after its repeal.
End of the world, no. Though it will have a profoundly negative impact on our lives (losing ability to work in your field, losing driver's license, losing health insurance, unable to afford rent, etc).
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End of the world, no. Though it will have a profoundly negative impact on our lives (losing ability to work in your field, losing driver's license, losing health insurance, unable to afford rent, etc).
Yes, all that is just over the top and simply will not happen, although I do understand we must be cautiously optimistic. DACA is not unconstitutional and Trump has nothing against Dreamers in particular. He is the one who will make the final decision with this because DACA was simply an executive action. None of the other people will matter. I just don't see Trump pushing us under the bus. It doesn't make business sense to do something like that.
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Trump will end DACA. He will let it expired. The Safe Act, Bridge act will not pass the house or senate. Most republicans are from deep red districts/states. You will need over 20 republicans to switch and vote for any of those proposals. You are gonna need 60 votes in the Senate because of the filibuster. It's gonna be impossible. Trump will focus on creating jobs, tax cuts, obamacare. Those will take months to delegate. Immigration will not happen in the first 2 years. Only hope is that someone convinces Trump to leave DACA alone until congress can pass some legislation.
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Trump will end DACA. He will let it expired. The Safe Act, Bridge act will not pass the house or senate. Most republicans are from deep red districts/states. You will need over 20 republicans to switch and vote for any of those proposals. You are gonna need 60 votes in the Senate because of the filibuster. It's gonna be impossible.
I'm not sure it's impossible. CIR passed in 2013 with Republican support. Next congress will have 48 Dems (2 Independents siding with them) and 52 Republicans in the US Senate. So all we need is 12 Republicans to switch over, which is not easy i agree. But the real challenge is the US House of Representatives, they block anything and everything pro-immigration related.
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The DHS secretary is not at all anti-immigrant. ....I think the most concerning person so far is Jeff Sessions as Attorney General but again he's not going to be in the Senate anymore to obstruct and if you remember he had said....... He's definitely going to carry out what he said but its not what people are actually expecting. For example, sure he will "end DACA" but do we even know what its going to be replaced with?? Basically get rid of executive actions and actually put in a damn law, isn't that what he said he will do?
That would be a contradictory statement because a President can NOT create laws, only the Congress can....when they agree. The President-elect has shown to have no idea about policy. He refers to hiring "the best" and letting them deal with it. In short, do not expect much from him, but more from who he chooses that may know about said policy.

Like you said, an Attorney General Sessions creates concerns because of his past obstructions. He has tried many times to defund the DACA program. You have a President who wants to end illegal immigration(deport 2-3 million people immediately) and administrative relief(DACA & DAPA), an attorney general who wants to defund it(current DACA), and a DHS secretary who wants....what the President wants?

I have a theory on the DHS secretary. As a former general, He will do his best to insure that whatever strategy is sought from the President is implemented. I am not saying he does not have his own opinions or that his service to this country is not valued, but as DHS secretary I would not put it past him to ensure "orders" are followed. Also, we are likely to have an attorney general who could just say,"Yeah, that is legal!" even if there are violations to an immigrant's rights...etc.

Truth is, the only check that may be initially reliable is the Judiciary for immigrant rights, but that might also be influenced when Trump chooses Justices!

I want to make it clear this is only what I think may be possible, but not what may actually happen.
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That would be a contradictory statement because a President can NOT create laws, only the Congress can....when they agree. The President-elect has shown to have no idea about policy. He refers to hiring "the best" and letting them deal with it. In short, do not expect much from him, but more from who he chooses that may know about said policy.

Like you said, an Attorney General Sessions creates concerns because of his past obstructions. He has tried many times to defund the DACA program. You have a President who wants to end illegal immigration(deport 2-3 million people immediately) and administrative relief(DACA & DAPA), an attorney general who wants to defund it(current DACA), and a DHS secretary who wants....what the President wants?

I have a theory on the DHS secretary. As a former general, He will do his best to insure that whatever strategy is sought from the President is implemented. I am not saying he does not have his own opinions or that his service to this country is not valued, but as DHS secretary I would not put it past him to ensure "orders" are followed. Also, we are likely to have an attorney general who could just say,"Yeah, that is legal!" even if there are violations to an immigrant's rights...etc.

Truth is, the only check that may be initially reliable is the Judiciary for immigrant rights, but that might also be influenced when Trump chooses Justices!

I want to make it clear this is only what I think may be possible, but not what may actually happen.
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That would be a contradictory statement because a President can NOT create laws, only the Congress can....when they agree. The President-elect has shown to have no idea about policy. He refers to hiring "the best" and letting them deal with it. In short, do not expect much from him, but more from who he chooses that may know about said policy.

Like you said, an Attorney General Sessions creates concerns because of his past obstructions. He has tried many times to defund the DACA program. You have a President who wants to end illegal immigration(deport 2-3 million people immediately) and administrative relief(DACA & DAPA), an attorney general who wants to defund it(current DACA), and a DHS secretary who wants....what the President wants?

I have a theory on the DHS secretary. As a former general, He will do his best to insure that whatever strategy is sought from the President is implemented. I am not saying he does not have his own opinions or that his service to this country is not valued, but as DHS secretary I would not put it past him to ensure "orders" are followed. Also, we are likely to have an attorney general who could just say,"Yeah, that is legal!" even if there are violations to an immigrant's rights...etc.

Truth is, the only check that may be initially reliable is the Judiciary for immigrant rights, but that might also be influenced when Trump chooses Justices!

I want to make it clear this is only what I think may be possible, but not what may actually happen.
When you make Sir Ianus speak up like this to this extent, you KNOW shit is about to go down with immigration. The siren bells are turning on and getting louder by the second! Something is going to happen. I don't know what it will look like but this turning out to be one for the record books. We are on a collision course. I foresee a massive rebellion between the stubborn Trump armed with his tweets/will power and the radical conservatives of Congress who actually expect him to "build a wall" and "end Obama's illegal exec orders." When it comes to predicting whether Trump will do something, one should ask him/herself this, "is there return on investment?" The answer is no when it comes to "ending DACA and deporting the kids."
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No one knows yet, but if you want my opinion I believe Trump will not get rid of us and will not end daca unless he replaces it with something better.
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