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Dream Act Is 'Nightmare Amnesty Bill' - Page 2

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#11
09-17-2007, 05:20 PM
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is there really a point of posting all these articles opposing DREAM Act? Let's not focus on that. Focus on calling.
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I don't know why the opposition is so opposed to us? I think it's a safe assumption to make that most of them are uneducated citizens???
I have a Masters degree in Engineering and I am opposed to the DREAM act or any bill that gives rights to people who are in the United States illegally.

This is not a matter of who is educated and who is not, it is a matter of being a nation with borders as well as being a nation of laws. Most Americans oppose granting amnesty to those who have broken our laws. In addition, we are disgusted with our government who encourages the behavior by not enforcing the law.

I've read a lot of posts within this forum and it seems to me that people are focusing on what rights and "freebies" they will be granted if this should become law. Would you feel so strongly about this if you were asked to finance illigal immigrants from Somalia or the Sudan? I sincerely doubt it. Imagine how *legal* Americans feel about financing you! Then perhaps you can understand the push-back by the American people.

Pablo

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Freebies?! fuck you, we're paying taxes too. Where do you think that money goes, the fucking tooth fairy?!


And look at that, so you think being from Sudan or Somalia makes you an even less valuable human being? Boy, the racism just oozes out of your post.
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U R 100% right on the fact that this is a nation with borders (which need to be enforced) and a nations of laws. One thing u r wrong about is that WE have not broken any laws OUR PARENTS DID... what were we suppose to say to them at 8 months, 2years, 7 years of age...um no we dont want to come here because its wrong...WTF we had no clue we would be in this situation...the dream act its not amnesty get ur facts str8... its only given to a select few under certain conditions u need to inform urself b4 making certain statements...Most of us here pay taxes so the gov has not been financing anything for us...we dont get shit for free... we work for it.

I want to thank you for posting...b/c now i know that our calls are working if u felt the need to come post in this forum...This is my last statement in reference to you.

thank you and have a bless day

keep callin everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I don't know why the opposition is so opposed to us? I think it's a safe assumption to make that most of them are uneducated citizens???
I have a Masters degree in Engineering and I am opposed to the DREAM act or any bill that gives rights to people who are in the United States illegally.

This is not a matter of who is educated and who is not, it is a matter of being a nation with borders as well as being a nation of laws. Most Americans oppose granting amnesty to those who have broken our laws. In addition, we are disgusted with our government who encourages the behavior by not enforcing the law.

I've read a lot of posts within this forum and it seems to me that people are focusing on what rights and "freebies" they will be granted if this should become law. Would you feel so strongly about this if you were asked to finance illigal immigrants from Somalia or the Sudan? I sincerely doubt it. Imagine how *legal* Americans feel about financing you! Then perhaps you can understand the push-back by the American people.

Pablo

PS: I have my fireproof suit handy...
we're not asking for any freebies. We're not asking for americans to finance us. We're only asking for a chance to contribute to the only society we've known in the past years.

i'm sorry you feel the way you do.
That's an interesting statement when I've seen quite a few posts that are so eager to discuss the fact that they would get in-state tuition (a reduction of cost).

The fact that this is the only society that you have known is regretable in some ways because it is not your fault, but rather the fault of your parents. However please do not expect legal Americans to feel sympathetic for your cause when your parents had every opportunity to come here legally.

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09-17-2007, 05:27 PM
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I don't know why the opposition is so opposed to us? I think it's a safe assumption to make that most of them are uneducated citizens???
I have a Masters degree in Engineering and I am opposed to the DREAM act or any bill that gives rights to people who are in the United States illegally.

This is not a matter of who is educated and who is not, it is a matter of being a nation with borders as well as being a nation of laws. Most Americans oppose granting amnesty to those who have broken our laws. In addition, we are disgusted with our government who encourages the behavior by not enforcing the law.

I've read a lot of posts within this forum and it seems to me that people are focusing on what rights and "freebies" they will be granted if this should become law. Would you feel so strongly about this if you were asked to finance illigal immigrants from Somalia or the Sudan? I sincerely doubt it. Imagine how *legal* Americans feel about financing you! Then perhaps you can understand the push-back by the American people.

Pablo

PS: I have my fireproof suit handy...

Really? Because every American citizen I talk to supports the Dream Act.. Including myself and my whole southern conservative family.. Once they met my husband and heard the story and were face to face with the issue, it stopped being this evil illegal tide of people and it started being about a hopeless situation that 2 good people were facing.. The immigration system is so broken that citizens are denied the opportunity to help their own SPOUSES. And many dreamers since they have of course assimilated have or will go on to marry citizens. They become rooted in society and their lives become entwined with the lives of Americans, such as myself. I am a living example of the flaws and cracks in this stupid system and the Dream Act would (help) to solve that. I think it's ridiculous that the greatest country in the world would allow it's citizens no way to sponsor their own family members (but you say, citizens CAN do this) No - only if they are covered under 245(i). It is a little known fact but thousands and thousands of citizens are in my situation. The misconceptions about immigration are HUGE and are tossed around as facts. Also, the average American cares more about Paris Hilton then they do about spending 5 seconds to decipher the differences between an educated, assimilated immigrant and a tomato-picking rapist who just hopped the fence.

Should this situation have happened? NO. But it has and it just doesn't make sense for the country to export bright students. They aren't asking for hand outs but the opposite - to give BACK. Of course you will hear people talking about wanting drivers licenses, and financial aid at schools. Most of the members on here are afterall teenagers. And everyone is human. Everyone has emotions and fears and pain.

I know how easy it can be to detach yourself from the situation and hurl blame at all illegals. I personally do NOT support a comprehensive immigration reform, or amnesty for 12 million. I live in L.A. and I know the majority don't deserve it and would burden the country.

BUT I do have the state of mind to see the grey areas in this debate and to see that EXCEPTIONS MUST BE MADE. That is the main difference between anti-dream act and pro-dream act people. It all comes down to whether or not you agree the law should have exceptions. Well, this country is founded on exceptions and fairness. We all would agree on some basic things - such as the legimately mentally disabled or children should not get the death penalty the same as an adult would. Exceptions such as these are what give humans the rights to be.. well human. And to take into account individual lives and feelings and not just throw everyone into a label and not realize they have a heart that is in pain just like anyone else would. These kids were BORN into this mess. They never made any decision to hurt anyone. Any one of us could have been born into the same situation.. Call it luck, fate, the hand of God, whatever you call it. ANYBODY could have been stuck into this situation. .. I hope you can learn to see that.
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I don't know why the opposition is so opposed to us? I think it's a safe assumption to make that most of them are uneducated citizens???
I have a Masters degree in Engineering and I am opposed to the DREAM act or any bill that gives rights to people who are in the United States illegally.

This is not a matter of who is educated and who is not, it is a matter of being a nation with borders as well as being a nation of laws. Most Americans oppose granting amnesty to those who have broken our laws. In addition, we are disgusted with our government who encourages the behavior by not enforcing the law.

I've read a lot of posts within this forum and it seems to me that people are focusing on what rights and "freebies" they will be granted if this should become law. Would you feel so strongly about this if you were asked to finance illigal immigrants from Somalia or the Sudan? I sincerely doubt it. Imagine how *legal* Americans feel about financing you! Then perhaps you can understand the push-back by the American people.

Pablo

PS: I have my fireproof suit handy...
Fair enough, but do note that many of us do not get in state tuition, and for those that do many of us already pay one way taxes into a system without expecting anything in return.

Another thing to note is that many, hell all of us here were brought here against our will, on average mostly as infants. What <15 year old kid has any say in their parents' decisions anyways? That's what DREAM is trying to acomplish, kids are being unfairly penalized for somebody else's mistakes here. After all the tax dollars that have went into our education you're telling me you don't want us in the economy pool anymore? THAT is what doesn't make any sense to me. You're basicaly condoning outsourcing of local brainpower to other countries, without receiving anything back in return. After living your whole life in the only country you know and call home, probably speaking english as the only language too, you expect people to get up and move back to a place they have no recolection of, don't even know the language or have any relatives or family to come "back" to? Comon man, lets get real here.
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09-17-2007, 05:30 PM
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I don't know why the opposition is so opposed to us? I think it's a safe assumption to make that most of them are uneducated citizens???
I have a Masters degree in Engineering and I am opposed to the DREAM act or any bill that gives rights to people who are in the United States illegally.

This is not a matter of who is educated and who is not, it is a matter of being a nation with borders as well as being a nation of laws. Most Americans oppose granting amnesty to those who have broken our laws. In addition, we are disgusted with our government who encourages the behavior by not enforcing the law.

I've read a lot of posts within this forum and it seems to me that people are focusing on what rights and "freebies" they will be granted if this should become law. Would you feel so strongly about this if you were asked to finance illigal immigrants from Somalia or the Sudan? I sincerely doubt it. Imagine how *legal* Americans feel about financing you! Then perhaps you can understand the push-back by the American people.

Pablo

PS: I have my fireproof suit handy...


Freebies?! fuck you, we're paying taxes too. Where do you think that money goes, the fucking tooth fairy?!


And look at that, so you think being from Sudan or Somalia makes you an even less valuable human being? Boy, the racism just oozes out of your post.
Really? I simply gave two examples of countries that have had large numbers of people immigrate to the United States who were given asylum for one reason or another. Would you feel better if I used New Zealand in my example? Perhaps Europe?

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I don't know why the opposition is so opposed to us? I think it's a safe assumption to make that most of them are uneducated citizens???
I have a Masters degree in Engineering and I am opposed to the DREAM act or any bill that gives rights to people who are in the United States illegally.

This is not a matter of who is educated and who is not, it is a matter of being a nation with borders as well as being a nation of laws. Most Americans oppose granting amnesty to those who have broken our laws. In addition, we are disgusted with our government who encourages the behavior by not enforcing the law.

I've read a lot of posts within this forum and it seems to me that people are focusing on what rights and "freebies" they will be granted if this should become law. Would you feel so strongly about this if you were asked to finance illigal immigrants from Somalia or the Sudan? I sincerely doubt it. Imagine how *legal* Americans feel about financing you! Then perhaps you can understand the push-back by the American people.

Pablo

PS: I have my fireproof suit handy...


Freebies?! fuck you, we're paying taxes too. Where do you think that money goes, the fucking tooth fairy?!


And look at that, so you think being from Sudan or Somalia makes you an even less valuable human being? Boy, the racism just oozes out of your post.
Really? I simply gave two examples of countries that have had large numbers of people immigrate to the United States who were given asylum for one reason or another. Would you feel better if I used New Zealand in my example? Perhaps Europe?

Pablo
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I don't know why the opposition is so opposed to us? I think it's a safe assumption to make that most of them are uneducated citizens???
I have a Masters degree in Engineering and I am opposed to the DREAM act or any bill that gives rights to people who are in the United States illegally.

This is not a matter of who is educated and who is not, it is a matter of being a nation with borders as well as being a nation of laws. Most Americans oppose granting amnesty to those who have broken our laws. In addition, we are disgusted with our government who encourages the behavior by not enforcing the law.

I've read a lot of posts within this forum and it seems to me that people are focusing on what rights and "freebies" they will be granted if this should become law. Would you feel so strongly about this if you were asked to finance illigal immigrants from Somalia or the Sudan? I sincerely doubt it. Imagine how *legal* Americans feel about financing you! Then perhaps you can understand the push-back by the American people.

Pablo

PS: I have my fireproof suit handy...


Freebies?! fuck you, we're paying taxes too. Where do you think that money goes, the fucking tooth fairy?!


And look at that, so you think being from Sudan or Somalia makes you an even less valuable human being? Boy, the racism just oozes out of your post.
Really? I simply gave two examples of countries that have had large numbers of people immigrate to the United States who were given asylum for one reason or another. Would you feel better if I used New Zealand in my example? Perhaps Europe?

Pablo
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