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Immigration Hawks Think Congress Might Cut Legal Immigration In Return For Amnesty - Page 9

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That I find a little hard to believe
No In the context your thinking of. I would like to know your parents education level. And if they are now innocent how do you process something like that!
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No In the context your thinking of. I would like to know your parents education level. And if they are now innocent how do you process something like that!
My parents were college educated but there were no jobs in Mexico. Most people who come here come here with the hope of an immigration reform like the one in 1980s because the waiting times for a green card are just way too long for that country.
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If you were in Brooks Brothers buying a Milano suit and there is a lane of 10 people. You go there to pay for the suit because only one cashier is working today. And you see this guy coming in all wet because it was raining and he is dripping water all inside the store, goes and pick up a OCBD shirt that is on sale, and skips the line of 10 people to go to the front to pay for it.

He then leaves with his new OCBD shirt without cleaning the floor from his dripping clothing. Then the only cashier goes to mop the floor to prevent anyone else from being injured while you are still waiting as the eleventh person. Would you be mad he didn't had to wait in line?
First of all this analogy doesn't work and if a man walks in soaking wet into Brooks Brothers and he skips the line and the cashier lets him do it then he's probably someone who affluent and connected somehow. You're not going to see many illegal immigrants in Brooks Brothers or competing for the same jobs as the legal immigrants. Dreamers are the only group from the illegal immigrant population that competes with legal immigrants and us citizens. We take professional jobs that could go to us citizens and legal immigrants while the other subsets of the immigrant population are mostly in blue collar jobs and small business. If this is your stance then you need to stop pretending you're a victim because your mommy and daddy brought you here and it's not your fault they cut the line while carrying you. You still cut the line and should be deport like what the legal immigrants want. So the group these legal immigrant hate is US.

One who has to illegally immigrate into a country is because they are in search of a better life. They left because there no opportunity or hardships where they currently are at and no country is going to accept and approve a poor person with no skills to their country. So it leaves them with the only option of immigrating illegally. A legal immigrant usually have privilege and opportunity to immigrant due to their skill set, status, or family connection and are eventually approved to come to a country.
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First of all this analogy doesn't work and if a man walks in soaking wet into Brooks Brothers and he skips the line and the cashier lets him do it then he's probably someone who affluent and connected somehow.
That is an assumption.

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You're not going to see many illegal immigrants in Brooks Brothers or competing for the same jobs as the legal immigrants. Dreamers are the only group from the illegal immigrant population that competes with legal immigrants and us citizens.
Wrong. Many illegals do compete with legal immigrants.

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We take professional jobs that could go to us citizens and legal immigrants while the other subsets of the immigrant population are mostly in blue collar jobs and small business. If this is your stance then you need to stop pretending you're a victim because your mommy and daddy brought you here and it's not your fault they cut the line while carrying you. You still cut the line and should be deport like what the legal immigrants want. So the group these legal immigrant hate is US.
I am pretty sure not all DACAers have professional jobs. DanielPL is an uber driver, you call that a professional job? No hard feelings DanielPL.

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One who has to illegally immigrate into a country is because they are in search of a better life.
You are wrong. One who illegally immigrate does not do it for a better life only. They can do it to take advantage of the system, they can do it to make some money and go back to their country. Not everybody comes here for a better life.

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They left because there no opportunity or hardships where they currently are at and no country is going to accept and approve a poor person with no skills to their country. So it leaves them with the only option of immigrating illegally. A legal immigrant usually have privilege and opportunity to immigrant due to their skill set, status, or family connection and are eventually approved to come to a country.
Once again you are wrong, you are making assumptions and forgetting there are many factors.
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No In the context your thinking of. I would like to know your parents education level. And if they are now innocent how do you process something like that!
My parents didn't graduate high school but that's not the issue. I'm not saying your parents are bad people and I'm not judging them but to say they didn't know they were breaking the law is simply insane.
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My parents didn't graduate high school but that's not the issue. I'm not saying your parents are bad people and I'm not judging them but to say they didn't know they were breaking the law is simply insane.
I agree. If you're a young kid and grew up here then yeah you don't know you're illegal is fine. But you come from another country as an adult and you don't realize you're illegal that's hard to believe. Only way I can see that happening is if they were tricked or lied to about how the immigration process is here.
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We chose the risk to remain here onwards after 18 for the possibility of a legislation and yes there has been cases of those that have self deported 18 to do things the right way even before DACA.
Most kids are not immigration experts at 18. I know I was not even thinking about "illegal presence" while I was worrying about college, what studies to pursue and other things that 18 yr olds do. I knew my parents had an employer sponsorship case opened and I was "attached" to that case. I believe every county has the right to decide who they let stay and who they don't but by the time I realized the shitty situation I was in the 10yr ban was triggered. I had no problem with leaving and making a life elsewhere but I could not bear the 10yr ban where I would not be able to visit and be part of the life of people I grew up with and loved. My entire life was here I would have to be able to visit if I left. So I don't think the 10yr ban should apply to anyone who was brought under age regardless if they stayed here past their 18 birthday. I blame the c**ksucker Bill Clinton for signing this law into existence. I think if the ban did not exist for people brought here underage a good number of us would not be here facing this problem. I think America needs to realize that some of the laws created to combat illegal immigration are counter productive and add to the problem.
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Most kids are not immigration experts at 18. I know I was not even thinking about "illegal presence" while I was worrying about college, what studies to pursue and other things that 18 yr olds do. I knew my parents had an employer sponsorship case opened and I was "attached" to that case. I believe every county has the right to decide who they let stay and who they don't but by the time I realized the shitty situation I was in the 10yr ban was triggered. I had no problem with leaving and making a life elsewhere but I could not bear the 10yr ban where I would not be able to visit and be part of the life of people I grew up with and loved. My entire life was here I would have to be able to visit if I left. So I don't think the 10yr ban should apply to anyone who was brought under age regardless if they stayed here past their 18 birthday. I blame the c**ksucker Bill Clinton for signing this law into existence. I think if the ban did not exist for people brought here underage a good number of us would not be here facing this problem. I think America needs to realize that some of the laws created to combat illegal immigration are counter productive and add to the problem.
Yeah, I believe that people who came here as minors should be exempt from the 10 year ban unless they're criminals. But it's not that hard to be educated on the basics of immigration, I'm 18 and I know it and I'm sure that all of us researched once they were seniors applying for college.
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Yeah, I believe that people who came here as minors should be exempt from the 10 year ban unless they're criminals. But it's not that hard to be educated on the basics of immigration, I'm 18 and I know it and I'm sure that all of us researched once they were seniors applying for college.
You also have the internet. We didn't have smart phones and most of couldn't offered a personal computer.
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My parents were college educated but there were no jobs in Mexico. Most people who come here come here with the hope of an immigration reform like the one in 1980s because the waiting times for a green card are just way too long for that country.
There's a family friend kinda like that. College educated, and from what I understand came here with a work visa right out of college, was promised that the company that brought him over would take care of extending it. Then was put on admin leave until "it's sorted out", then told never mind, we're not doing it. That's when gang of 8 was in the air, and the cutoff date would've been just right. Took a leap of faith, but G8 didn't happen, so he's undocumented
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