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DACA Decision Looms - Page 3

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08-29-2017, 10:52 AM
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To me grandfathered means you get to keep your permit and renew.

Ex: Just a month ago my old gym closed down its location and opened a brand new one just across street. Prices were a lot higher for those newcomers but I got grandfathered in and kept the same low monthly price while enjoying all the new perks the new gym had to offer. That's what grandfathered in means to me. Killing DACA and letting our permits expired will be called phasing out the program.
Yes, that is what grandfathering truly means. However, there may be some spin here from the administration, touting this as a grandfathering but really meaning a phase out. (I posted a WaPo opinion piece stating that some advocates are reading grandfathering to really mean a sunset for everyone. A little cynicism doesn't hurt.)
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My reading of this is that the two options both assume protections but differ in scope. So, it could be 1) all phase out or 2) only renewals allowed.

Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if this is handled quietly through a DHS memo.
That's how I read it too.
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You guys are freaking out for nothing... Trump/Congress won't cancel DACA.... it's just inhumane...
It's also inhumane to repeal Obamacare and leave people the option to die to go bankrupt. You see GOP blinking their eyes?
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I continue to believe that DACA recipients are an ELITE ELITE Group of undocumented people. They will certainly be careful in messing with us. Even Trump supporters are actually in support of leaving the "Dreamers" alone.
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"this statistic undercuts the image of DACA that has been spread by the pro-illegal alien groups and the news media, that the DACA recipients are mostly college kids. This is not true. We don't know much about the population, but one of the few credible studies that has been done, by a scholar at Harvard University, found that at most are more than 22 years old, and only about 20 percent graduated from or attended a four-year college. A significant share never went beyond high school. This is not really all that surprising, since over 72 percent come from a family at or below poverty level and accessing some public assistance."


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"this statistic undercuts the image of DACA that has been spread by the pro-illegal alien groups and the news media, that the DACA recipients are mostly college kids. This is not true. We don't know much about the population, but one of the few credible studies that has been done, by a scholar at Harvard University, found that at most are more than 22 years old, and only about 20 percent graduated from or attended a four-year college. A significant share never went beyond high school. This is not really all that surprising, since over 72 percent come from a family at or below poverty level and accessing some public assistance."
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That's how I read it too.
Here is another article that may give a glimpse into deliberations: http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/...als/612363001/

"He could order DHS to halt the issuance of new DACA work permits immediately — or at a future date — and perhaps call on Congress to come up with a legislative fix, as, Kelly has in the past. There have been conversations among lawmakers about ways to grandfather current DACA recipients, and such a measure could become part of the horse-trading over the budget and raising the debt ceiling when Congress returns from August recess."

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The more I read into this, it appears that this talk about "ending it now" or later is in regard to when to stop accepting applications, whether renewals or initial applications. It could be that he "ends it now" by simply instructing the DHS Secretary to stop accepting any applications. Or, if he ends it later, he essentially sunsets the program to stop accepting applications of any kind. I think this nuance is coming out more and more in these articles.

Perhaps this is wishful thinking, but I don't think those in the know have any reasonable expectation that he will end it now in the sense that DHS will immediately end protections and recall EADs. I think what they are deliberating is 1) when to stop accepting applications (i.e. now or later), and 2) from whom they will stop accepting applications (i.e. initials vs. renewals).
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Perhaps this is wishful thinking, but I don't think those in the know have any reasonable expectation that he will end it now in the sense that DHS will immediately end protections and recall EADs. I think what they are deliberating is 1) when to stop accepting applications (i.e. now or later), and 2) from whom they will stop accepting applications (i.e. initials vs. renewals).
I don't think the law suit requires to terminate EADs right away.
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I don't think the law suit requires to terminate EADs right away.
It doesn't. The lawsuit wants DACA to phase out, but not take away current EAD's. There is no way that they can recall all EAD's. it would be a logistical mess.
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