United We Dream reminds me of PETA

In the sense that they have the best intentions but they do more damage than help.

Yeah PETA doesn't have good intentions, they run kill shelters and have pretty dumb views on animal ownership.

Yes I'm sure that the 1.3 billion cows will do just fine and centuries of selective breeding won't cause them to drop dead from udder infections.

Same thing with my fish, these have been bred in captivity for centuries and they do not exist in the wild, they are essentially native to an aquarium.

Intention is not to turn this into something like the previous thread.

I mean it.

Just wanted to share something that was published yesterday, apparently by the leadership of said odious organization:

https://unitedwedream.org/press-rele...emains-steady/

Titled: "UWD: Our Drive for Clean Dream Act Remains Steady"

Subtitled: "We Disagree With the Premise That One Group of Immigrants Should Endure More Pain for Another Group to Get Rights and Protections"


By which they presumably mean that conferring legalization to one group should not come at too onerous a cost to anther - i.e. punishing the rest of the 11 million though coupling DA with other restrictive and purely punitive enforcement measures.

So it appears, at least among the leadership (individual rank and file may have differing views of course), they are on the same page. Your protestations have been heard! They have abandoned their language of 11 million or nothing, at least where DA is concerned.

Well, almost. No doubt, the armchair key-board warrior activist cohort on this forum will likely still rise up in righteous indignation and continue to throw shade cuz' "clean Dream Act" still doesn't meet their purity standard - whatever that is.

Personally, Ill take it. Even if I think DA, under certain circumstances, may require certain enforcement bills to accompany its passage - namely for it to have a chance to come to a floor for a vote.

Mainly since Id rather have ten or twenty field activist on my side than a thousand keyboard-crusading reclusive wankers.

Personally, my own view, which also seems to be that of Democratic leadership, as things stand now, is that DREAM Act will pass in one of two way.

1. It procures buy-in from Republican Congressional leadership, specifically Ryan and Mitchel, to even be allowed on the floor for a vote, in which case we can expect S.1615 (DREAM Act) + Boarder Security + (something else enforcement). Or (worse still) a Republican variation of Dream Act in both Chambers, RACA or something that legalizes without legalizing (yes, this is conjuring trick Republicans are asking for when they say no "amnesty"; even 20 years of conditional residency won't be enough to satisfy these creatures.)

2. Dems say fuck it all, we tack it onto a must pass bill like budge or defense, and YOLO. Or something to that effect. This actually seems less likely than #1 - mostly since I doubt they have the political spine or care overmuch to do so.

Of course, the facts and the actors in this here curious establishment, as they play out their dramatic farce in their wonted fashion, are susceptible to the most minute volatility; that is to say, human affairs are far too hard to predict; only time will tell.


[You needn't read or agree with the rest]

All in all, this shift to "drive for a clean Dream Act" - essentially falling in line, by UDW, was both predictable as it was inevitable.

In the main, legislation, its formation, framing, details, even subsequent discussion, perception, interpretation and the negotiations that accompany it, is seldom done with input from the public. Mostly, its comes from the top down. Immigration and DA are no different - except perhaps as they may involve a greater admixture of manipulation as a vehicle to pander to a base of voters or shared ideology of said base.

Policy usually correlates with the interest of concentrations of power or lined private interest. If the Saban's, Adelson's, Soro's, Koch's, etc, of the world genuinely wanted DA or immigration reform we would have had it in 2010, probably 2007. UDW ain't that - by any stretch.

Summarize this in few sentences?

tl;dr

Of course.

Basically, the leadership of UDW is for 'clean DACA bill', abandoning the rhetoric about 11 million or nothing.

Thanks. Didn't want to read all that.

but clean DACA bill aint going to happen.

I agree.

Its highly unlikely unless they are prepared to shutdown the government over it.

Their rationale, in terms of why they advocate for a clean bill, is some what laudable tho'.