Democrats can't shut down the gvt, but they can win on DACA: Conservative 0pinion

jaylove16 · 01:28 PM

So, Jennifer Rubin is a conservative and makes some very valid points. As usual, the media is trying to screw us on this issue. It’s the same way they used to ask about Daca being rescinded every single day till it finally happened.

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There is lots of talk about whether Democrats will try to shut down the government, after the two-week funding bill runs out, in order to get relief for young people affected by President Trump’s decision to rescind the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program.

Harry Enten at FiveThirtyEight ponders: “Democrats arguably have more to lose politically from a shutdown than Republicans. They hold a large lead on the generic congressional ballot, and Trump is deeply unpopular. Together, this means Democrats have a good shot at taking back the House of Representatives next year. Any unpopular moves such as forcing a shutdown could lower those odds.”

Trump vows that if there is a shutdown, “I would absolutely blame the Democrats.” House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) insists Trump is the only one who wants a shutdown. She does, however, vow not to leave for recess without rescuing the young people known as dreamers.

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Wait. Democrats cannot shut down the government. They are the minority party and have neither the power nor the responsibility to keep the lights on and the government open. In fact, they could allow debate in the Senate to commence (not filibuster) and then vote no on passage of a spending bill. If Republicans don’t have the votes to pass it — because the Freedom Caucus in the House is in a tizzy or the hard-liners in the Senate insist on more cuts in domestic spending — Republicans will be responsible for the shutdown. Democrats should be clear and they should correct reporters who ask them if they are going to try to shut down the government.

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Now, the real question is whether, in exchange for getting the GOP off the hook (if the GOP cannot find votes to fund the government), Democrats will condition their help on a DACA fix. They’d be nuts not to, if Republicans cannot keep the government running with their own party in the majority in both houses and a GOP president. Democrats should give their votes for a spending bill they don’t like for nothing? (That’s like Trump giving Russia a truce in Syria with nothing in return, or giving the Chinese a great propaganda show without getting concessions on trade or concrete promises to help pressure North Korea.) Democrats surely are smarter than that.

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A DACA fix (as well as reauthorizing the Children’s Health Insurance Program, known as CHIP) should be a no-brainer for Democrats. A CBS poll this month showed 84 percent of Americans, including 74 percent of Republicans, favor keeping the dreamers. A Fox News poll found 83 percent of voters favor protection for the dreamers.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...n-win-on-daca/

eva02 · 12-10-2017, 01:29 PM

I think that’s the strategy. They are tip toeing around a govt shutdown idea, but they are saying we will not provide our votes for a spending bill we don’t agree with and it needs to contain “daca, chip, disaster relief, opioid relief etc”

By lumping all those issues they are going to save face, plus it’ll be on republicans to find the votes. Pelosi held her caucus together. On a 3 month spending bill we saw 90 house GOP defections and 19 senators I believe in the senate. Any long term spending bill will require democrats votes.

Swim19 · 12-10-2017, 01:32 PM

The author of the opinion piece didn't quote this part of the ThreeFiveEight article:

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None of this is to say that Democrats would necessarily suffer long-term electoral consequences over a shutdown caused by DACA. The Morning Consult poll did show that a near majority (47 percent) said Dreamers were definitely or maybe worth shutting the government down over, though that is a far lower percentage than those who support a fix to DACA overall. And the midterm elections are still nearly a year away.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...for-democrats/

eva02 · 12-10-2017, 01:36 PM

Democrats are just big cowards though. They ousted their own democratic Senator over allegations. Meanwhile, we have trump “grab them by the pussy” and Roy Moore “pedophile”

Democrats need to show some backbone when it comes to passing these very popular programs. It’s a huge reason liberals chose to stay home last election. Democrats don’t fight

Swim19 · 12-10-2017, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by eva02

Democrats are just big cowards though. They ousted their own democratic Senator over allegations. Meanwhile, we have trump “grab them by the pussy” and Roy Moore “pedophile”

Democrats need to show some backbone when it comes to passing these very popular programs. It’s a huge reason liberals chose to stay home last election. Democrats don’t fight

Agreed. The liberal base wants them to fight! This will energize their base, but the Democrats don't seem to learn. The only way is to get more progressives in office, but that takes time.

catportal · 12-10-2017, 01:40 PM

Dem's need to stop look at polling and show some backbone. What looks worse? Doing nothing and funding the gov, or shutting down for a few days and WINNING on CHIP and DACA? When it comes to 2018, no one will care that there was a shutdown as long as there was a Dem WIN.

year2010 · 12-10-2017, 01:46 PM

Just look at Alabama, they are losing in polls to a pedophile! I thought we’d see a blue wave, but based that and what they are doing with DA and this shit down. I doubt that will happen.

eva02 · 12-10-2017, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by year2010

Just look at Alabama, they are losing in polls to a pedophile! I thought we’d see a blue wave, but based that and what they are doing with DA and this shit down. I doubt that will happen.

Well to be fair alabama is a deep red state. For Dems to even have a chance at winning is a big win for them. If they don’t do anything about daca though expect outrage!! They won’t even be able to campaign on the issue in peace

Smooth · 12-10-2017, 02:11 PM

Very interesting read. Thanks op.

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Democrats can't shut down the gvt, but they can win on DACA: Conservative 0pinion