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#21
01-12-2018, 10:31 AM
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Tha'ts a strange fucking thing to say. Difference between DACA and Dreamers? WTF?
"DACA" has 4 letters while "Dreamers" has 7 letters. The difference is BIGLY!
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01-12-2018, 10:41 AM
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Trump did say that he wanted more money for his wall. The problem is, that's not all he said. He said a lot of other things, and that's where the problem lies. That's where negotiations are derailed.

Give him 5-18B for his wall, you say? Well that means giving him 10-33B all together for border security. Some Democrats will not support this.

As for the TPS, an effort needed to be made to defend them. If no effort was made, many Democrats would be furious.

That's not a good idea. You're going to lose some Republicans regardless, and now you want to lose some Democrats. This bill is not going to pass with some Democrats and some Republicans not supporting it. You need most all Democrats and some Republicans.

This was not a lowball offer. Democrats are just dealing with unreasonable people.
how can you honestly think that dems are the ones dealing with unreasonable people.
you do know that border security isn't even something that is a concession by them, right?
it's something that we need, and is agreed upon across the board.
chain migration is an actual problem, because eventually you have more and more people that have no real ties to this country being granted citizenship on the basis of a flawed system.
and what else...
the diversity lottery?
that is again, something that is something that is agreed upon by both sides that it needs to be ended.

so the problem here isn't that repubs are being unreasonable, it's that dems are purposely not making their best effort on our behalf.
first they lumped in the broader dreamer population, and now they tried to lump in TPS.
everything trump is asking for is understandable, i can't say the same for dems.
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01-12-2018, 10:58 AM
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how can you honestly think that dems are the ones dealing with unreasonable people.
you do know that border security isn't even something that is a concession by them, right?
it's something that we need, and is agreed upon across the board.
chain migration is an actual problem, because eventually you have more and more people that have no real ties to this country being granted citizenship on the basis of a flawed system.
and what else...
the diversity lottery?
that is again, something that is something that is agreed upon by both sides that it needs to be ended.

so the problem here isn't that repubs are being unreasonable, it's that dems are purposely not making their best effort on our behalf.
first they lumped in the broader dreamer population, and now they tried to lump in TPS.
everything trump is asking for is understandable, i can't say the same for dems.
Are you serious? Your lord and savior said he wanted it done in two phases. Dreamers would" be a bill of love"and then rest should be done in a CIR. It pretty damn reasonable that diversity lottery and chain migration did not get solved in a Dreamer bill. We only make up about 10% of the undocumented population, you can't expect all bargaining chips to be used just for us. Also this bill was created through bipartisan effort so republicans senators agreed to it as well.
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01-12-2018, 11:03 AM
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Are you serious? Your lord and savior said he wanted it done in two phases. Dreamers would" be a bill of love"and then rest should be done in a CIR. It pretty damn reasonable that diversity lottery and chain migration did not get solved in a Dreamer bill. We only make up about 10% of the undocumented population, you can't expect all bargaining chips to be used just for us. Also this bill was created through bipartisan effort so republicans senators agreed to it as well.
do you not understand how to think rationally and view this reasonably?
why WOULDN'T this bill be for the current DACA population?
how the fuck is ending diversity lottery a bargaining chip if the push to end it is bipartisan?
the bargaining chips for CIR as it stands are just chain migration.
that's literally it.
if we had a wall, the negotiations for broader CIR would be easier in the future, because while you can't legalize 20+ million undocumented people, it's not realistic to think that all of those are going to be deported.

so basically what do you think dems are even giving???
the wall doesn't count.
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how can you honestly think that dems are the ones dealing with unreasonable people.
you do know that border security isn't even something that is a concession by them, right?
it's something that we need, and is agreed upon across the board.
What's agreed is that we need border security. All the money for a great wall is not agreed. Border security, yes. Great wall, not necessarily. Only about 40% of Americans want the wall. Compare that to 80% who want DACA.

Democrats lost on tax reform and they lost on health care (individual mandate repealed). If they lose on the wall, they risk revitalizing the Trump base and angering the Dem base. In an election year, this is dangerous.

Sure a DACA fix would be in place, but Democrats would be risking a lot.

Democrats fight for more than just DREAMers.

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chain migration is an actual problem, because eventually you have more and more people that have no real ties to this country being granted citizenship on the basis of a flawed system.
If you're going to give up chain migration and you want to employ a merit based system, do it, but do it in CIR. In exchange, give work authorization to the 12m+ undocumented people here because of a broken immigration system. That's a fair trade.

DREAMers for CIR (i.e. change from chain to merit) is not a fair trade because Democrats fight for more than just DREAMers.


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the diversity lottery?
that is again, something that is something that is agreed upon by both sides that it needs to be ended.

so the problem here isn't that repubs are being unreasonable, it's that dems are purposely not making their best effort on our behalf.
first they lumped in the broader dreamer population, and now they tried to lump in TPS.
everything trump is asking for is understandable, i can't say the same for dems.
This is a nation of immigrants. Make changes to the immigration system where it's merit based, but leave some room (at least a little) for compassion and diversity. By completely eliminating Diversity Lottery and TPS you're turning this country into Trump nation.

Democrats won't allow this. Democrats fight for more than just DREAMers.
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TPS was always meant to be temporary so stop equating it with DACA.
So is DACA. Both were temporary measures.
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Electing Trump was "a big step backwards" for America, but here we are.
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So is DACA. Both were temporary measures.
they aren't the same.
stop trying to make it seem like they're the same.
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01-12-2018, 12:53 PM
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Dems deserve this to be honest, for putting out such a shitty proposal. This is all negotiation. Dems low balled, so Trump felt like he was trying to get taken advantage of and told them to fuck off. The working group can come up with a more reasonable proposal than what was presented.
They need to completely eliminate the DV lottery and not include non tps dreamers.
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How is the democrats proposal weak when Trump wants funding for a stupid freaking wall? A wall that tax payers will pay for, NOT MEXICO!
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