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House GOP to vote Wednesday on the Compromise bill - Page 2

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wont pass. this is the goodlatte bill v1.5
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Why is E-Verify so controversial, 20 out of 50 US States already make it mandatory and here in California which is voluntarily a lot of employers are opting in to use it.

I’m not a E-Verify fan but if it’s already being implemented in most US states then might as well make it mandatory if it means us getting a permanent fix.

Not trying to sell out our undocumented community but E-verify is the inevitable. Plus E-verify is only implemented on new hires, so if you already have a job and you’re undocumented then you’re good, E-verify can not be used on existing employees.
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Why is E-Verify so controversial, 20 out of 50 US States already make it mandatory and here in California which is voluntarily a lot of employers are opting in to use it.

I’m not a E-Verify fan but if it’s already being implemented in most US states then might as well make it mandatory if it means us getting a permanent fix.

Not trying to sell out our undocumented community but E-verify is the inevitable. Plus E-verify is only implemented on new hires, so if you already have a job and you’re undocumented then you’re good, E-verify can not be used on existing employees.
The main problem with e-verify is that it's a black box. You input some information into it and it tells you if you're allowed to work or not. I'm sure it's not difficult to imagine a world where people are "accidentally" put on that list and are essentially shunned from society by whoever is managing the system.

Currently ~1% of persons get a red flag with e-verify and that's millions of US citizen employees with some sort of issue. And that's without anyone even being malicious!

With the paper I-9 process the employer can quickly check someone and get them working and the federal government can come in and audit after the fact to figure out if the paperwork is legit.
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Why is E-Verify so controversial, 20 out of 50 US States already make it mandatory and here in California which is voluntarily a lot of employers are opting in to use it.

I’m not a E-Verify fan but if it’s already being implemented in most US states then might as well make it mandatory if it means us getting a permanent fix.

Not trying to sell out our undocumented community but E-verify is the inevitable. Plus E-verify is only implemented on new hires, so if you already have a job and you’re undocumented then you’re good, E-verify can not be used on existing employees.
because even on the off-chance that trump and co can make it a point to use dem's reluctance for e-verify in the midterms, very few republicans even support e-verify.
it's one of those things that won't change anytime soon because the US relies too much on cheap labor.
it's like people proposing to cut some military funding, or aid to israel, its just not going to happen, too much corruption to let it.
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The main problem with e-verify is that it's a black box. You input some information into it and it tells you if you're allowed to work or not. I'm sure it's not difficult to imagine a world where people are "accidentally" put on that list and are essentially shunned from society by whoever is managing the system.

Currently ~1% of persons get a red flag with e-verify and that's millions of US citizen employees with some sort of issue. And that's without anyone even being malicious!

With the paper I-9 process the employer can quickly check someone and get them working and the federal government can come in and audit after the fact to figure out if the paperwork is legit.
Like every type of technology everything will have its glitches, I doubt the program is perfect, but like I said, this is becoming the inevitable, yes at one point this program was controversial, but now-a-days if it’s not being implemented by a mandatory law, then businesses are VOLUNTARILY opting in, and the list will just keep on growing.

I think it would be different conversation if E-verify wasn’t being implemented at all, but if people do theirs research this program is expanding within states and businesses, and its expanding fast.
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Democrats should play along, and sign this bill, send it to the senate and watch republicans struggle with the e-verify portion of the bill.

Then Republicans will have to filibuster their own bill, it would make them all look like complete idiots.
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The main problem with e-verify is that it's a black box. You input some information into it and it tells you if you're allowed to work or not. I'm sure it's not difficult to imagine a world where people are "accidentally" put on that list and are essentially shunned from society by whoever is managing the system.

Currently ~1% of persons get a red flag with e-verify and that's millions of US citizen employees with some sort of issue. And that's without anyone even being malicious!

With the paper I-9 process the employer can quickly check someone and get them working and the federal government can come in and audit after the fact to figure out if the paperwork is legit.
But major companies are already doing background check and if there's something wrong with the flagging system, we should fix it. I haven't read the bill, but I would imagine there is a grace period, like the READ ID act. NY is one of the last few states have to opt in this year. No more DL for entering federal building. It took like 10 years. So let's hope e-verify has a good grace period.

I can understand some of the arguments against e-verify, but if we want to get R support on this, let's think e-verify being one way to shut people's mouth on "oh more illegals will come to work and steal jobs because there is no mandatory checking."
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I can understand some of the arguments against e-verify, but if we want to get R support on this, let's think e-verify being one way to shut people's mouth on "oh more illegals will come to work and steal jobs because there is no mandatory checking."
There are plenty of R states where e-verify is mandatory and even there compliance rates aren't very good. Plenty of USC have poor documentation of their citizenship and there are plenty of USCs with no means to fight any sort of denial by the e-verify system.

From our side it makes perfect sense to push for an e-verify system (after all - many of us would trade a left nut to become citizens), but if you're already a citizen then the benefits of e-verify are quite murky. Don't forget that your average american is quite sane and doesn't want to make his/her life more difficult.
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This wont pass either.

You need to deal with ALL the illegals before adding it to a bill. At least giving our parents work permits could maybe get something passed with e verify.
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HAHAHA E-VERIFY? so after the times Paul Ryan repeatedly mentioned I'm not going to put out a bill that is not going to become law, he adds E-verify to the bill?

JUST DISAPPEAR ALREADY YOU CLOWN.
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There are plenty of R states where e-verify is mandatory and even there compliance rates aren't very good. Plenty of USC have poor documentation of their citizenship and there are plenty of USCs with no means to fight any sort of denial by the e-verify system.

From our side it makes perfect sense to push for an e-verify system (after all - many of us would trade a left nut to become citizens), but if you're already a citizen then the benefits of e-verify are quite murky. Don't forget that your average american is quite sane and doesn't want to make his/her life more difficult.
This is indeed sad for Americans. The #1 country on earth have serious problem with citizenhip documentation. Smh. When will government actual spend money on fixing infrastructure rather than spending stupid money on fail military projects.
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