Daca recipient slams democrats, says they threw ‘dreamers’ under the bus - Page 4

Originally Posted by Demise

This is a guy that bankrupted a casino.

Originally Posted by ExMachina

That's because it allows enough time for a SCOTUS ruling, which is what he's sitting on. I'm emphatically certain he's doing this to force Dems into choosing between 700k DACA recipients and half of all future immigrants (RISE Act).

The mindset of Stephen Miller and white nationalists in general is they're trying to slow or hault current demographic changes. Whites are going to become a minority in 20 years, that's what this has all been about.

Originally Posted by cmeow

Right but saying he knows business gets you to listen to him. If you want to convince republicans to give a good daca deal, know your audience.

Originally Posted by lonelydreamer

why do you think minority will forever vote Dems? tons of Hispanics are solid GOP backers. Asian American also are slowly tilting towards GOP. once Trump is in back mirror after 2020 and GOP leaders like Nikki Haley take GOP command it will steer towards center and Dems will continue to drift extreme left, then all this demography talk will become non-relevant.

Originally Posted by ExMachina

Tariffs weren't a good business move and neither is paying off people affected by it. He doesn't have a good business sense nor is he making these decisions based on his own expertise. Trump is just following the advice of his advisors who themselves are far right ideologues.

Remember that ICE agents leaked information about them targeting unaccompanied minors who turned 18. That's no different from us, they used the information they had on file to find and deport them. Right now the DC circuit court lawsuit is the only thing preventing that from happening.

Originally Posted by cmeow

You weren't wrong but what you said won't help going forward. It's clear now that dems won't trade wall for DACA.

Apparently dems are going to bring a bipartisan solution to the dreamers soon in the house. Not sure what that looks like.

I think you should spend your time to get a meeting with Trump himself. Everything falls on Trump at this point.

Tell him that he should take immigration off the table so dems can't campaign on it. If you believe dems are using dreamers as a campaign issue and they're getting votes from it (more than republicans), then republicans should legalize dreamers to take away dem's campaign issue. It's just that simple. If we are competitors and something is helping you more than it's helping me, I would want to take that away from you.

And one thing Trump understands is business. He's going to spend money and deport 700k young, educated, Americanized people who aren't criminals... they're already working or in school.... then import 700k fresh immigrants to replace the dreamers? Businesses would be negatively affected by that move, especially in an booming economy where businesses need workers.

He's also having trouble getting funding because he's taking army and disaster relief money. A lot of States are suing. Why doesn't he just fine DACA recipients (who by majority are from south of the border) and legalize them to pay for his wall? He actually can claim Mexico paid for it. I don't know if you want to actually mention this to republican lawmakers. They might just throw in a huge fine with a bill worse than goodlatte but if they fine us and legalize it's worth it.

The hard line anti-immigrant stance did not help him in 2018 election and if he wants to win 2020 he needs a bill "of love" for the dreamers.

By all means stir the pot. But saying "dems are using dreamers for 2020" won't help. Saying to republicans "because dems are using dreamers for 2020, do a non-bullshit deal for DACA and take the immigration issue off the table for 2020 elections" is way better. Tell them now to move forward and win, not complain with them about the past, it does nothing.

At the end of the day, if republicans do a non-bullshit DACA deal and put the ball in dems' court, there are a lot of good things that come. The key here is a non-bullshit daca deal or else it's easy for dems to refuse it.
- if dems refuse, it shows they're using dreamers for votes in 2020. That becomes a fact, not speculation.
- if dems accept, then immigration issue is taken off for 2020 elections. Dems can't claim trump is a racist and heartless, he's done something good for dreamers. It'll pull moderate voters towards republicans for 2020 election. It'd also be extremely difficult for dems to campaign on immigration as other undocumented immigrants have a lot less merit than dreamers.

This is a win-win situation for republicans. Republicans must propose a good DACA deal. If dems propose it first then it will be harder to push the narrative.

Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith

No businessman could possibly agree with trump and his tariff


Makes no economic sense

Originally Posted by EMejia

Why do we hate uwd again??