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#41
10-08-2007, 10:02 AM
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I can't believe people here are 'disturbed' by the amount of Mexicans and other Hispanics in the U.S. Are you disturbed by the number of Europeans? What the hell? I'm disturbed that in this little group we have people who think like that.

Anyway...this is what I have so far. Any additions before I get started?

Will take away spots in colleges for legal residents and citizens.
Will sponsor illegal family members and family still in home country.
In state tuition.
Should the U.S. be responsible for education of foreigners.
Will attract more illegal immigrants.
Anybody could qualify--age, pretend they came here as a kid, etc.
Life ain't fair.
Unenforceable.
Non citizens can't be trusted in military.
Resource hogs.
Taking jobs.
Military will take advantage of them.
Less pressure to end war in Iraq.
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I'm not gonna lie. The number of Mexican immigrants is almost disturbing, even to me. You don't see them often in New Jersey, but just hearing about California's Mexican stories... yikes.

That's not to say I dislike Mexicans, because I don't. Three of my good friends are Mexicans, but their families are legally-immigrated citizens.

The population in the US is growing to insane numbers, and I guess one argument is that DREAM would secure an additional million people to within the borders.
I'm not Mexican, but I do think that everybody should have a right to pursue a happy life, even if it means breaking one immigration law. This law doesn't hurt anybody really. It's not as if every single illegal Mexican immigrant is out there to murder American citizens. Many people come so that they can work, because the Mexican economy is really, really bad. American citizens murder American citizens everyday. Illegals are humans too, and some do bad things, just like the American citizens. And I'm sure a lot of American citizens have broken other laws, such as murder, robbery, child abuse, etc.

Government needs to come up with a temporary guest worker program. When that happens, the numbers of illegal crossings will reduce. Not every Mexican wants to stay here, they just need money to feed their family.


Do NOT agree with that ^^^^^ part. It just so happens that we ARE here and there needs to be a solution. That ^^^ advocates breaking the law.
Most of our parents broke this law to get us where we are right now. I'm not advocating for breaking the law, I'm just saying that everybody deserves a happy life. That's why I said we need a guest worker program... -_-
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I'm not gonna lie. The number of Mexican immigrants is almost disturbing, even to me. You don't see them often in New Jersey, but just hearing about California's Mexican stories... yikes.

That's not to say I dislike Mexicans, because I don't. Three of my good friends are Mexicans, but their families are legally-immigrated citizens.

The population in the US is growing to insane numbers, and I guess one argument is that DREAM would secure an additional million people to within the borders.
I'm not Mexican, but I do think that everybody should have a right to pursue a happy life, even if it means breaking one immigration law. This law doesn't hurt anybody really. It's not as if every single illegal Mexican immigrant is out there to murder American citizens. Many people come so that they can work, because the Mexican economy is really, really bad. American citizens murder American citizens everyday. Illegals are humans too, and some do bad things, just like the American citizens. And I'm sure a lot of American citizens have broken other laws, such as murder, robbery, child abuse, etc.

Government needs to come up with a temporary guest worker program. When that happens, the numbers of illegal crossings will reduce. Not every Mexican wants to stay here, they just need money to feed their family.


Do NOT agree with that ^^^^^ part. It just so happens that we ARE here and there needs to be a solution. That ^^^ advocates breaking the law.
Most of our parents broke this law to get us where we are right now. I'm not advocating for breaking the law, I'm just saying that everybody deserves a happy life. That's why I said we need a guest worker program... -_-


Well its just that "they" will use that part against us. And I understand what your saying, I feel fortunate enough being here without legal status, but comments like that will be used against us saying we advocate breaking the law.
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10-08-2007, 09:57 PM
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I do think that everybody should have a right to pursue a happy life, even if it means breaking one immigration law. :
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Do NOT agree with that ^^^^^ part. It just so happens that we ARE here and there needs to be a solution. That ^^^ advocates breaking the law. :
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Most of our parents broke this law to get us where we are right now. I'm not advocating for breaking the law, I'm just saying that everybody deserves a happy life. That's why I said we need a guest worker program... -_- :
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Well its just that "they" will use that part against us. And I understand what your saying, I feel fortunate enough being here without legal status, but comments like that will be used against us saying we advocate breaking the law.
Does the right to pursue a happy life mean that the citizens of the United States don't have a right to limit immigration and enforce the laws necessary to do that? Some seem to disagree with the initial post yet there seems to be an implicit agreement that the law shouldn't be enforced. I'm curious what rights do you think the people of this country have to control and determine who gets to immigrate? I'm not talking about what you may wish our immigration policy to be. I'm talking about the inherent conflict between the rights of a country to choose an immigration policy and the rights of those who would ignore it.

As for Mexicans who represent more than half of all illegal immigrants, polls have show that the majority of Mexicans believe they have a right to come to this country despite laws that say otherwise. I would suppose that belief would be even more widely held among those who have actually done so illegally. Therefore if the citizens of this country want to limit immigration and control illegal immigration, allowing the legalization and entry of Mexicans would over time lead to diminished support for that position. In this respect the at whatever level of immigration the country has, directing those spots to non-Mexicans would seem to be in the interest of those who want to limit immigration, a position shown to be held by strong majorities of the citizens of this country.
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10-08-2007, 10:30 PM
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Wow, did you make yourself dizzy with all that circular logic ? Anyway, as a citizen, I find it highly annoying when someone attempts to speak for me, or to assume they speak for the "majority" simply because they are loud and scream a great deal.
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10-08-2007, 10:32 PM
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Wow, did you make yourself dizzy with all that circular logic ? Anyway, as a citizen, I find it highly annoying when someone attempts to speak for me, or to assume they speak for the "majority" simply because they are loud and scream a great deal.

Thank you MrsMom, empty barrels make the most noise.
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10-08-2007, 10:46 PM
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I do think that everybody should have a right to pursue a happy life, even if it means breaking one immigration law. :
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Do NOT agree with that ^^^^^ part. It just so happens that we ARE here and there needs to be a solution. That ^^^ advocates breaking the law. :
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Most of our parents broke this law to get us where we are right now. I'm not advocating for breaking the law, I'm just saying that everybody deserves a happy life. That's why I said we need a guest worker program... -_- :
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Well its just that "they" will use that part against us. And I understand what your saying, I feel fortunate enough being here without legal status, but comments like that will be used against us saying we advocate breaking the law.
Does the right to pursue a happy life mean that the citizens of the United States don't have a right to limit immigration and enforce the laws necessary to do that? Some seem to disagree with the initial post yet there seems to be an implicit agreement that the law shouldn't be enforced. I'm curious what rights do you think the people of this country have to control and determine who gets to immigrate? I'm not talking about what you may wish our immigration policy to be. I'm talking about the inherent conflict between the rights of a country to choose an immigration policy and the rights of those who would ignore it.

As for Mexicans who represent more than half of all illegal immigrants, polls have show that the majority of Mexicans believe they have a right to come to this country despite laws that say otherwise. I would suppose that belief would be even more widely held among those who have actually done so illegally. Therefore if the citizens of this country want to limit immigration and control illegal immigration, allowing the legalization and entry of Mexicans would over time lead to diminished support for that position. In this respect the at whatever level of immigration the country has, directing those spots to non-Mexicans would seem to be in the interest of those who want to limit immigration, a position shown to be held by strong majorities of the citizens of this country.
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We appreciate your opinion but obviously you are at a very wrong forum.
The members of this forum were brought to United States LEGALLY or illegally by their parents,
when they were minor (2 mo. 2years, 3mo.,3 years etc ) without their CONSENTS.
Before coming here as a polite visitor you should read the front page at least:
“However, in this sea of individuals, a group of approximately 60,000 will not have this opportunity, not because they lack motivation, but because of the status passed on to them by their parents. These often highly achieved individuals cannot attend college, enlist in the armed forces, or otherwise live a full life. Children that grew up on American soil, respect the laws of this country, and want nothing more than to be recognized for what they are, Americans, bear an inherited title of an “illegal immigrant”.
In this regard you should address your issues at LA RAZA web site or any other web sites related to general immigration.
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If you should have further questions or comments or would like to sign up for our Campaign please feel free to write or e-mail us. Your thoughts and opinions are important. Unfortunately, any replies to this post will not be answered because we are quite busy right now.
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Wow, did you make yourself dizzy with all that circular logic ? Anyway, as a citizen, I find it highly annoying when someone attempts to speak for me, or to assume they speak for the "majority" simply because they are loud and scream a great deal.

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10-08-2007, 11:58 PM
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I do think that everybody should have a right to pursue a happy life, even if it means breaking one immigration law. :
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Do NOT agree with that ^^^^^ part. It just so happens that we ARE here and there needs to be a solution. That ^^^ advocates breaking the law. :
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Most of our parents broke this law to get us where we are right now. I'm not advocating for breaking the law, I'm just saying that everybody deserves a happy life. That's why I said we need a guest worker program... -_- :
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Well its just that "they" will use that part against us. And I understand what your saying, I feel fortunate enough being here without legal status, but comments like that will be used against us saying we advocate breaking the law.
Does the right to pursue a happy life mean that the citizens of the United States don't have a right to limit immigration and enforce the laws necessary to do that? Some seem to disagree with the initial post yet there seems to be an implicit agreement that the law shouldn't be enforced. I'm curious what rights do you think the people of this country have to control and determine who gets to immigrate? I'm not talking about what you may wish our immigration policy to be. I'm talking about the inherent conflict between the rights of a country to choose an immigration policy and the rights of those who would ignore it.

As for Mexicans who represent more than half of all illegal immigrants, polls have show that the majority of Mexicans believe they have a right to come to this country despite laws that say otherwise. I would suppose that belief would be even more widely held among those who have actually done so illegally. Therefore if the citizens of this country want to limit immigration and control illegal immigration, allowing the legalization and entry of Mexicans would over time lead to diminished support for that position. In this respect the at whatever level of immigration the country has, directing those spots to non-Mexicans would seem to be in the interest of those who want to limit immigration, a position shown to be held by strong majorities of the citizens of this country.
Your post is way too long, but I will say this: our immigration laws are unfair. Did you know that there are 6 million pending applications right now that are not processed? A lot of the money goes to borders, not on the administrative part of this whole immigration process. This immigration system is broken. As for Mexico, they used to be a bigger country until the US annexed Texas and other parts of the old Mexican country.
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I can't believe people here are 'disturbed' by the amount of Mexicans and other Hispanics in the U.S. Are you disturbed by the number of Europeans? What the hell? I'm disturbed that in this little group we have people who think like that.

Anyway...this is what I have so far. Any additions before I get started?

Will take away spots in colleges for legal residents and citizens.
Will sponsor illegal family members and family still in home country.
In state tuition.
Should the U.S. be responsible for education of foreigners.
Will attract more illegal immigrants.
Anybody could qualify--age, pretend they came here as a kid, etc.
Life ain't fair.
Unenforceable.
Non citizens can't be trusted in military.
Resource hogs.
Taking jobs.
Military will take advantage of them.
Less pressure to end war in Iraq.
Hey this is rather random but this is something I've wanted to do for a long time, an "In Defense of DREAM" sorta thing, so if you need any help, let me know...I'm in an intellectually-based persuasive paper kind of mood actually (it might be that taco I had for lunch though... )
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