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We are not even sure if a major, minor, or any bill gives legal status can be passed that way. How do you allocate cost to citizenship... the fees are the easy part but there is more to it
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a $15 minimum wage increase, has a lot of powerful lobbying against it coming into the Republican party. That minimum wage increase will not move the needle in inflection, and it will be a a positive stimulus for the lower wage earners. Tax payers paying welfare to Walmart employees as a result of below livable standard wages is not good economics.

CA - apart from gas taxes at the pump and real state, California has similar prices as the rest of the nation. The major expense in Ca is housing, due to the amount of people that want to live in the state and the restrictive policies to build new housing. I'm very certain that lobbying to restrict new building permits has artificially inflated housing prices and made the cost of living so expensive in Ca not a $15 minimum wage.

That is the truth, political BS aside.
Not according to this:
https://www.daveramsey.com/elp/cost-...-in-california

Only way other living costs becomes lower is if businesses are able to realize economies of scale. City population is high and volume of business generated allows businesses to sell at lower prices because of economies of scale. This concept doesn't work outside of the city where the population or increase of business stays relatively the same. Another example we can use is Mcdonalds: in the city an employee might be working nonstop throughout the shift for $15 an hr and there is enough business to justify paying $15 an hr. However, in the suburbs meal times are at predefined times and then you have dead periods.

Then we have the question of, if a burger flipper makes $15 an hr what would you pay the shift supervisor? What would you pay the manager? What would you pay the regional manager? Why would any take on more responsibility when the pay is not worth it. Everything would need to be scaled proportionally.
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People do need a better standard of living, but the left seems to leave out the fact that landlords will then increase rents and businesses will increase the prices of their goods and services. CA moved toward increasing its minimum wage, and shit just got more expensive. People make more only to pay higher rents and prices on goods and services lol
It's a government scam, we have amazon warehouses in my town. The people that work at amazon used to make $12 an hr and were able to still take advantage of government assistance. When amazon increased their pay to $15 an hr many of them couldn't qualify for government assistance anymore.
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It's a government scam, we have amazon warehouses in my town. The people that work at amazon used to make $12 an hr and were able to still take advantage of government assistance. When amazon increased their pay to $15 an hr many of them couldn't qualify for government assistance anymore.
When employers only pay $12/hr, our taxes subsidize the rest of their workers' living expenses.
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When employers only pay $12/hr, our taxes subsidize the rest of their workers' living expenses.
The scale goes one way or the other. The average middle class consumer is always going to be left with the bill. I rather it be taken from taxes than having the products I consume raise in price.

I'm just saying raising min wage isn't going create this magical world where they can start supporting themselves on $15 hr. Everything is just going to adjust with the min wage increase. Overtime pay is the factor that's causing people to have to find multiple jobs as suppose to just one job. Most employers will try to avoid scheduling anyone over 40 hours to avoid that and most employees making minimum wage can't suppose themselves on just 40 hr work weeks. They would have to try to find multiple jobs and work 80-120 hour weeks.
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The scale goes one way or the other. The average middle class consumer is always going to be left with the bill. I rather it be taken from taxes than having the products I consume raise in price.

I'm just saying raising min wage isn't going create this magical world where they can start supporting themselves on $15 hr. Everything is just going to adjust with the min wage increase. Overtime pay is the factor that's causing people to have to find multiple jobs as suppose to just one job. Most employers will try to avoid scheduling anyone over 40 hours to avoid that and most employees making minimum wage can't suppose themselves on just 40 hr work weeks. They would have to try to find multiple jobs and work 80-120 hour weeks.

$15hr will cover a basic living wage, living subsistence.
If a business can't pay a minimum livable wage, it's not a viable business. We are not in slavery, and the tax payer should not subsidy the slavery for a nonviable business. That is the reason Wallmart, Amazon etc drive small businesses out of the market place. There is a cost of doing business, and that is one of the main competitive advantages that has created a bigger inequality gap. I love to debate you on economics, but this point is not up to debate, it's an economic fact.

The economy is about to experience inflation across the board, people are more inform now and not as willing to be slave labor.
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$15hr will cover a basic living wage, living subsistence.
If a business can't pay a minimum livable wage, it's not a viable business. We are not in slavery, and the tax payer should not subsidy the slavery for a nonviable business. That is the reason Wallmart, Amazon etc drive small businesses out of the market place. There is a cost of doing business, and that is one of the main competitive advantages that has created a bigger inequality gap. I love to debate you on economics, but this point is not up to debate, it's an economic fact.

The economy is about to experience inflation across the board, people are more inform now and not as willing to be slave labor.
You do realize that Walmart and Amazon pay higher wages while cutting the number people hired by leveraging technology right? How many check our lanes do you see at Walmart these days have a cashier? How many amazon facilities are being built being run by robotics. Changing the min wage will do little to provide basic and living subsistence. The ultimate outcome will be unskilled labor that were moved up to $15 will be replaced by robotics and they will be on welfare anyways. Also Walmart and Amazon squeeze small businesses out because they achieve economies of scale. These two businesses are infamous for selling at a lost until their competitors close down.
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I like how you guys are talking with out backing anything up
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I like how you guys are talking with out backing anything up
just like you....when you said we will have "green card in first 100 days" ? Go Democrats!! Yay!
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let's not ruin another thread with in-fighting
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