Lindsey Graham comes out against DACA in infrastructure bill - Page 3

Originally Posted by daca12

Where is the statistics?

Originally Posted by cmeow

Democrats actually lost support amongst hispanics in 2020. Republicans gained 8 points from Hispanic voters from 2016 to 2020. The Hispanic group was the biggest group in the "minority" category that went republican, beating any other "minority" category by more than 2x. The biggest gain for Democrats is +3% from white voters from 2016 to 2020.

If you pander to a group about solving an issue for that group and then lose 8% of those voters to the other party, then it's not surprising that the issue is on the low priority list, if on a list at all. If anything, it'd be on the list because "white" voters support DACA (based off of demographic voting data and only looking at the DACA issue). It isn't shocking news, I mean, just browse this forum. Imagine if Biden & Democrats spends all their political capita to get DACA people citizenship tomorrow. There will be DACA people that vote republican in the next election. It's the same reason why hispanic voters went more republican in 2020. DACA is not an important enough issue for hispanic voters.

I am not surprised DACA is taking a back seat for various reasons. If by Oct / Nov rolls around and nothing is happening, then chances of something happening gets lower as time passes. Democrats are in serious risk of losing the legislative branch in 2022. The way state legislators are doing redistricting & voting, republicans will have the house for quite some time if they win.

Originally Posted by skysla

Bipartisanship is dead in the Republican Party in this current environment. Lindsey Graham's comment means nothing.

Originally Posted by dreamer12345

in the "current environment"? bipartisanship died in the Obama years. Which is doubly surprising Biden ran on "bipartisanship", unless it was just a grift and he never meant it.

Originally Posted by skysla

Yes. Believe it or not. The Obama years were a bit better. Back then, the Democrats were less savvy and had less urgency. Immigration, particularly DREAM Act, was not a big priority. So, it got pushed behind other priorities such as health care, which actually pushed the Democrats out of power in the House first. In 2013, the Senate passed an immigration reform bill with 68 votes. Can you imagine that? Even if the Senate had 60 Democrats today, I don't think we could reach 8 with the current Republican Party.

So, yes. Bipartisanship was doubtful even in the Obama years, but it was not like this. There is really no hope now.

As for the "bipartisanship" Biden campaigned for, it is good politics. It is good politics in terms of appeasing independent voters. Is it effective in terms of policy enacting? Maybe not... It frustrates the left of the Democratic Party.

Originally Posted by dreamer12345

All I'm saying is Bipartisanship died long ago (Obama years via Mitch).

Playing bipartisanship is asinine as a political strategy. If you're "independent" right now, you shouldn't reproduce as you're too dumb. It's best to not waste time playing patty cake and risk losing the mid terms, just ram shit through and let results bring the "independents" over. Achieving fuck all not only loses you the independents but your constituents on "the left" who only voted for you to throw democracy a life line.

Fine, you wanted to appease the pussies not paying attention the last 4 yrs in 2020, you got their vote, time to flip flop, he's entertained "bipartisanship" long enough.

Originally Posted by skysla

As you said, I wish Biden and the Democrats played hardball and did as much as they could.
To be fair, they did improve over the years (compared to the past). Biden may say "bipartisanship", but he and the Democrats have gone alone many times just the past 6 months alone.

Also, the world does not work like that. So many people don't watch news and don't care about politics. So, a lot of people are "independent" although they may lean toward one or the other party. And, the current Democratic Party does not work like that, either. It has far broader demographics than the Republican Party. Why do you think Biden, not the other candidates, won the Democratic Party's nomination? The other candidates were not that great... But... He had name recognition but also appealed to more moderate and older people.

Anyway, if they really attempt to include DREAM Act in reconciliation and succeed, we all be happy... although I am not sure the parliamentarian will be okay with the legalization aspect..