What would an amnesty do to America? - Page 2

I don't think America is against intelligent people. I think there are some racist lawmakers who don't want anybody to get ahead. Sometimes I think America is too nice and lenient on its own citizens, that's why we have to get overseas smart labor.

The new dream with masters... A lot of people would not be able to do that. Many dreamies would just sit in front of their computer screens feeling contempt. I know I would if I didn't have money for a masters...

Wow, I know you guys are smart and everything... but try to keep in mind that there really are many people who do manage to make it through life without a masters degree of all things, and that many people who are homeless, or kids who struggle in school might have other issues they can't always control. Just like you couldn't control where you were born. I don't think the sterotyping and arrogance is very helpful to your cause.

yeah, i agree with you, i'll edit what i wrote earlier

American people don't against intelligent people, it's the culture that does.

Okay, let me try to rephrase. When you go on about "intelligent" people and equate "intelligence" with a particular level of educational attainment - I think you are going to allienate most people. Think about it -about 8% of the total U.S adult population has a masters or higher degree. That doesn't mean that 92% aren't bright. A masters degree is 1) very expensive and 2)not even needed for many careers.

I have nothing against people who get them, my daughter got hers and I am incredibly proud In fact I brag about her all the time. She is also very determined, had a family who could help a little bit, a career that required one, worked all through school - and still has about 40k in debt. What if they take out the DREAM provision for student loans ? how many people can realistically get a masters without one - within six years ?

Economic Growth.

People who are against this:
> Fustrated people

Let's feel sorry for them

Do we want to legalize a group of people that are highly skilled or have a broader legislation that pretty much legalize everyone ? the second is harder.
A degree is nothing but a peace of paper that says you are smart (but it doesn't say that those who doesn't have are stupid, lol) , and can be a great asset to a company or this society, that's all.

The only reason why they dont want to give us anything, and when I say anything I mean not even a visa, is because they feel that they are rewarding us for braking the law; and that thought just pisses the hell out of them. Go figure

I think if it getting to something as advanced as a masters degree you are talking about an extremely narrow group of people. Would it still even be the DREAM Act in any recongnizable form if you need that high of a level of education ? Or just an in-house program for a very few HB1 visas ?

And I think you want to look at who you are trying to win over --- I think you would lose even more of the Senators who said this was "cherry picking" - and I don't think it would shut up the far-right extremists either, who take a dim view of higher education in general. So while you might win one or two senators I think you would probably lose even more.

Mrsmom has a good point

Masters is pushing it to be a cherry picking.. its becoming a survival of the whocanstayinschool.

but Bachelor's doesn't sound too bad. It just shows we are willing to prove ourselves capable and dedicated in our studies and be educated legal residents.